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Mithandra
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-06-16 09:45:27 UTC
Ren Coursa wrote:
My, completely unhelpful and sort of dickish, 2 cents is that if this discrepancy in price bothers you and your finances enough to take it to the forums, you probably shouldn't be spending the money on a game either way.



Oh I love this response.

Seriously

Its a bit like saying to an African American in the 50's "if you don't want to be segregated you shouldn't have been born black, there's no point complaining about it, just get to the back of the bus."

I'll give you kudos though for realising that your post was "unhelpful and sort of dickish". Can't fault someone for being honest





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Solecist Project
#62 - 2014-06-16 09:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Mithandra wrote:
Ren Coursa wrote:
My, completely unhelpful and sort of dickish, 2 cents is that if this discrepancy in price bothers you and your finances enough to take it to the forums, you probably shouldn't be spending the money on a game either way.



Oh I love this response.

Seriously

Its a bit like saying to an African American in the 50's "if you don't want to be segregated you shouldn't have been born black, there's no point complaining about it, just get to the back of the bus."

I'll give you kudos though for realising that your post was "unhelpful and sort of dickish". Can't fault someone for being honest
You must be nuts.

These two things have no connection whatsoever. The one is about racism and being born black,
the other is about being poor (which isn't genetics) or simply being greedy (which isn't genetics either).

He is absolutely right when he concludes that the person in question probably shouldn't spend the money,
if this minor issue bothers him so much. That's honest, direct and ... unlike what you try to connect here ...
... it's not racist at all.

What kind of mind comes up with such an analogy anyway?


Please try again, but next time with something that makes sense.

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2014-06-16 10:00:44 UTC
Hugs Kansene wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
it's fully legal to dodge the VAT this way.


But how can you sleep at night knowing you're depriving your dearly beloved welfare states of much needed funding? I'm sure a bureaucrat somewhere is going to go without his caviar and brie because of you. Think about that.


Easily, I close my eyes and think of the 46% which is taken off my income to cover all "important" taxes already.
Mithandra
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-06-16 10:10:18 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Mithandra wrote:
Ren Coursa wrote:
My, completely unhelpful and sort of dickish, 2 cents is that if this discrepancy in price bothers you and your finances enough to take it to the forums, you probably shouldn't be spending the money on a game either way.



Oh I love this response.

Seriously

Its a bit like saying to an African American in the 50's "if you don't want to be segregated you shouldn't have been born black, there's no point complaining about it, just get to the back of the bus."

I'll give you kudos though for realising that your post was "unhelpful and sort of dickish". Can't fault someone for being honest
You must be nuts.

These two things have no connection whatsoever. The one is about racism and being born black,
the other is about being poor (which isn't genetics) or simply being greedy (which isn't genetics either).

He is absolutely right when he concludes that the person in question probably shouldn't spend the money,
if this minor issue bothers him so much. That's honest, direct and ... unlike what you try to connect here ...
... it's not racist at all.

What kind of mind comes up with such an analogy anyway?


Please try again, but next time with something that makes sense.


Sigh. you again :)

Its a valid analogy if you take the time to think with your forebrain and not your behind..... brain.

I'll break it down for you.

The post I quoted was at its root basically saying that if you have to complain about it, you shouldn't be doing it.

My analogy was merely to highlight the fact that regardless of what other people think, there is always a point in complaining if you think you are being discriminated against, or actually are being discriminated against.


Whether the complaint is over the cost of an apple, your child being refused entry to a school because of your income bracket, racism, sexism, any of the other isms..... the cost of a plex.

The nature of the complaint matters not. What matters is that if ENOUGH people see what they perceive as an injustice and decide to do something about it, it CAN be changed.

I fail to see how either my post , the post I quoted or the ops post is (as you say) about being born poor, or simply being greedy.

As to what sort of mind comes up with such an analogy anyway? Simple, one that works.

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Solecist Project
#65 - 2014-06-16 10:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Mithandra wrote:
Sigh. you again :)

Its a valid analogy if you take the time to think with your forebrain and not your behind..... brain.

I'll break it down for you.

The post I quoted was at its root basically saying that if you have to complain about it, you shouldn't be doing it.

My analogy was merely to highlight the fact that regardless of what other people think, there is always a point in complaining if you think you are being discriminated against, or actually are being discriminated against.


Whether the complaint is over the cost of an apple, your child being refused entry to a school because of your income bracket, racism, sexism, any of the other isms..... the cost of a plex.

The nature of the complaint matters not. What matters is that if ENOUGH people see what they perceive as an injustice and decide to do something about it, it CAN be changed.

I fail to see how either my post , the post I quoted or the ops post is (as you say) about being born poor, or simply being greedy.

As to what sort of mind comes up with such an analogy anyway? Simple, one that works.
So much text to explain it is already proof in itself that it was bad.

Anyhow ... what you THOUGHT you're telling ... wasn't what you were telling.


I know that you won't realize this, but keep trying.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-06-16 10:41:17 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in.


And that is done by converting dollars into euros, no matter what country you are in... i really think that explanation needs more... psssshhhh

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2014-06-16 10:47:02 UTC
There is a surprising concern with fairness (its not fair some people get plex Cheaper, its not fair older players are so much better at PvP, its not fair some people have the time to grind missions and play for free, learning implants are unfair as new players cannot afford them) in a game that basically is about scamming people, ripping them off, infiltrating corps and sabotagingand stealing and/or setting up ambushes and battles where you badly outclass and out number your opponents.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Refugees
Lord of Worlds Alliance
#68 - 2014-06-16 11:05:50 UTC
Use paypal maybe? or somehow do the commerce in the US while overseas?
Heinrich Erquilenne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2014-06-16 12:00:17 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Use paypal maybe? or somehow do the commerce in the US while overseas?


Are you seriously suggesting someone to do something illegal on a public forum?

Side note/funny question: do you think public servants and private corporations should work for free for you and your country?
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#70 - 2014-06-16 12:19:06 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Use paypal maybe? or somehow do the commerce in the US while overseas?


You aren't wanting to avoid tax, you just want to evade tax, right?

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Alexander Thorsen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-06-16 14:41:32 UTC
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
Side note/funny question: do you think public servants and private corporations should work for free for you and your country?


Nope. Absolutely not. But the question becomes, are their jobs actually necessary to the basic functioning of the government and its essential needs or are they, by the given definition, surplus to requirements. If the latter, RIF their job.

I really don't understand why Euros pay so much in taxes. By and large your populations and land mass are far smaller, your currency is a lot stronger, and access to natural resources doesn't require that ships cross an ocean. I mean, it's not like you have functioning militaries or anything, at least not by the American definition.
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#72 - 2014-06-16 14:48:56 UTC
Alexander Thorsen wrote:
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
Side note/funny question: do you think public servants and private corporations should work for free for you and your country?


Nope. Absolutely not. But the question becomes, are their jobs actually necessary to the basic functioning of the government and its essential needs or are they, by the given definition, surplus to requirements. If the latter, RIF their job.

I really don't understand why Euros pay so much in taxes. By and large your populations and land mass are far smaller, your currency is a lot stronger, and access to natural resources doesn't require that ships cross an ocean. I mean, it's not like you have functioning militaries or anything, at least not by the American definition.


No, ours are functioning by an actual definition

And we have better (as in actual) public services

But this conversation belongs in OOPE, not GD

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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
#73 - 2014-06-16 15:07:42 UTC
Plex prices across currencies will always vary because real world currency exchange rates vary. Balance is an illusion.

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Heinrich Erquilenne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-06-16 16:52:23 UTC
Alexander Thorsen wrote:
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
Side note/funny question: do you think public servants and private corporations should work for free for you and your country?


Nope. Absolutely not. But the question becomes, are their jobs actually necessary to the basic functioning of the government and its essential needs or are they, by the given definition, surplus to requirements. If the latter, RIF their job.

I really don't understand why Euros pay so much in taxes. By and large your populations and land mass are far smaller, your currency is a lot stronger, and access to natural resources doesn't require that ships cross an ocean. I mean, it's not like you have functioning militaries or anything, at least not by the American definition.


Okay it's a bit off topic so I'll make it short. This is just a different mindset. In continental Europe we don't really let individuals make huge mistakes. Like having no health insurance policy. You won't get sub-par health care because you can't afford good stuff. We also have high education standards, even if it's true that the richest people can have the best education, if you're good enough, you will be able to go to some the best schools without paying a dime here. There is no such things as student loans making people slaving over **** jobs for 10 years to pay for it.

The poverty rate is also a lot lower in Europe. In the US it's something like 30-35% of your population, in Europe it's around 10%. We also have some excellent public transportation systems because some people care about the environment and that's fine. A lot of rules and high taxes isn't that bad considering that the other alternative is "be rich or GTFO" (or die, in the worst circumstances).