Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You'll get mixed responses on this, PvP oriented folks hate the idea of devtime being spent on improving missions, PvE folks would greatly welcome any change. Personally i like the idea of fully randomizing missions and throwing in the odd sansha style AI npc's to improve missions. Escalating the number of npc's makes sense on one hand but is open to exploit by having an alt warp in to multiply the npc's then warping off.

I take the position that PVE in MMO games will always be boring, at least after a short amount of time. What is exciting however is playing and competing against other players and pushing game engines and mechanics to the limits.

As such I am a proponent that the PVE should in fact be two things:
1) simple, easy and relaxing when you're left alone
2) relentlessly viscous and epic when you are not

What you do with what you earn from PVE is what should be exciting. What happens as you engage in the sandbox beside other players is what should be exicting.

Mining isn't fun. Missions aren't really fun. Being chased in a web-warping freighter and getting away with your haul can be. Calling your buddies in to blob the small gang that caught your mining fleet can be. Somehow fighting off that Sentinal who's invaded your mission pocket can be.

Group PVE is a different story; it should be as exciting without hostiles around. I would support adding group PVE or more specifically, adding to the current incursion system. Even then though it becomes all about the ISK eventually. You'll find incursion FCs do everything in their power to increase completion time and overall ease. That is why if they were to improve this form of group PVE, it should be by increasing interaction with other competing incursion fleets.

This isn't a -1, but rather a, "do not replace my L4s with anything more complex but ultimately as boring".

But of course Sir, anything that isn't to you liking, or isn't risky enough for you must be shot down. Please take the elitist attitude elsewhere, not everyone has access to L5's.

Thanks everyone else for the comment so far, it just an idea aimed at making L4's variable. This is by no means a definitive idea or structure, hence the asking for comments.

Possibly because its a popular idea. I didn't realise it had been posted recently, but I know it's something a lot of people are hoping CCP implement sometime, I do admit however though it has to be balanced well and contribute to L4's.

Missions are solo PVE, Incursions and upper class WH sites are group PVE. The escalation mechanism already exists in C5 and C6 sites, why not try them for teamwork experience?

Someone will figure out how to run it solo, or it will be done by multiboxing. The result will not be what you intend.

Also, missions in general need a complete overhaul. Better to focus on upgrading the entire system rather then adding a new gimmick to the top layer.

Not everyone wants to live in WH space. What I am proposing isn't game changing, it's just a little shake up to a system that needs looking at in general. If doesn't affect you, so why all the negativity?

PvE is a choice, if I wish to test my skills in it I shall. Just because it isn't PvP doesn't make it skill-less.

It wouldn't affect everyone in the game, as only a percentage of the player base missions. Incursions are the high end earners, L4's are not. Yes they are lucrative, but only with extensive training, real know how and the ability to cheery pick the missions.

Whether or not this is the correct way to move forward with L4's, they do need a re-design and a definite lean towards team based rewards.

And so goes back to the original idea that if they want to run it alone, they can. Just if they choose to work as a team, they get rewarded.

But not everybody wants to run Incursions. Not everybody has the time. Not everybody wants to live in a WH and PvP for their home defence.

Think of the bigger picture, please.