Warfare & Tactics

If you don't want to fight then why would you ever agree? In which case would the war just not happen or would we be back at the previous terrible setup? In any war the aggressor has something he wants to take / smash from the defender, and the defender would really rather keep it intact. So why would he make the war mutual if NOT doing so gives him an advantage? Good attempt to fix it, but I still don't see it working.

BTW, I'm not really happy with how war mechanics work right now, but I'm not taking a liking to anything you've proposed so far.

And why should game mechanics change? You have not presented an argument as to why the Faction Navies should intervene or sec status should be lost when someone engages a legal target.



Yes they do. They can join a larger corp which can offer them protection and participate in a supporting role - as logistics or ewar.

I agree with you but I think Arran's point was that it seems that there are many, many people that do enjoy sucking rocks (for some reason I personally cannot fathom).

In 'peacetime', they get a puny reward for their low-risk, low-effort activity. Seems reasonably balanced, so far.

Then, a wardec will suddenly either dramatically increase risk and effort (anything is easier to do during a wardec compared to mining), or force them to 'metagame' their way out of it (corp dropping/reforming).

From their perspective, it is a bizarre game mechanic.


Still, I personally think that's not a good enough reason to change wardecs. To a die-hard highsec miner, i'd say 'mate, I understand that all this wardec thing doesn't make much sense to you, but trust us, it's good for just about everybody else in the game. Just accept it, drop corp for a week, and mine away!'.

Bring in NPC's?

Are you another one of those... " I don't have enough friends and need help from AI" type of people.

Basicaly you then want to force people to PVE. Something I have never done in this game.

But the people in the defender corp can still leave corp if they want nothing to do with the war and continue with their missions and mining.

You cannot pidgon hold one group while another group is still able to completely ignore the war if they chose to. Your trying to fix a people issue with mechanics which will never work. We all know wars have their issues but unless CCP finds a way to make both sides happy it is going to stay 1-dimensional and left to the players to resolve conflict under themselves. Which is the preferred way.

I'm just saying it'd be an interesting addition to the mechanic. It's not forcing anyone to PvE. It's an option in order to gain an advantage. Also, in case you didn't read up (which seems to be a pattern for you Cannibal), this is building off of a proposed idea from someone else's post.

I also recommend you change your way of thinking because your post could have actually suggested that CCP then would need to fix the way people can just drop corp to get rid of war decs (which lets be honest, is a really horrible part of the war mechanic). Instead making it so they only have a 24 hr window at the end of each war week to drop corp. And before anybody goes off saying that you have to wait 24 hours after dropping roles to leave corp, let me point out that currently you can drop roles, then quit corp to an npc corp imediately.

Anyways Cannibal, please try to approach this topic with an open mind and with constructive feedbacks instead of close-minded, things-are-too-hard-to-change attitude. The mechanics have been changed before, they can be changed again.

In addition to what Kane has already said, you would inevitably end up with a merc alliance out tree with excellent faction standing that would now get help from faction police when steamrolling smaller corps. Congrats, you just made the problem you identified worse. Now you'd have players getting killed on gates by NPC's then wondering why cops are shooting them.

Everyone thinks their proposed changes would be an interesting change to the game, regardless of how stupid or pointless the proposal actually is.

I want to start off by saying that on my main I live in null sec and run anoms all day so this mechanic does not really effect me much directly. That being said I agree mostly with the OP and I think the current war dec mechanics are very crappy and affect corps friendly to new players far more than anyone else.

I've noticed any time my CEO posts a recruitment add on the forums we get war deced shortly after and it usually last for a few weeks after we stop looking for new players. My corp is very noob friendly and over the years I've helped a lot of new players get up and going in the game. With the current system I've seen a lot of new players just stop playing after they have been under war dec for two or three weeks strait and can't even undock with out getting blown up and they have no idea how to avoid it.

High sec needs to be much safer than low and null and have a much lower earning potential so that players have a reason to move to low sec once they have the understanding of game mechanics to be able to survive the experience or at least understand their mistakes enough to learn from them.

Right now the people that benefit from concord protection the most are gankers and carebear war dec corps. The people that benefit the least are industrialist, PvEers and newer players.

When will industrialists understand that wardecs and suicide ganking improves their own profit margin and reduces their competition?

Think about the big picture instead of your own existence for a moment.

Ships exploding drives the economy. More boom more buck. Best part is the wardec might be against a competing corp and now you have a week to reap the benefits. If your smarter/better than the competition then let them die in fire, and when a wardec comes your be better at surviving than they were... It's really not hard, and has been explained in detail in this thread.

Oh wait you mentioned paying concord to be wardec immune. Yea... Not only is that boring, hurts the little Indy corps, makes rich pilots safer, and reduces economic activity. How about spending 50mill on a corp to help defend you. There are plenty of corps that will take the job just for the targets alone, and thus generating more pew, more profits, and more fun.

You that is the fundamental aspect that makes EVE unique. Stop trying to ruin it because you refuse to adapt, socialize, or make an effort. In fact there is a place for you people... It's called an NPC corp. If you want a chat channel to chat with your other little bear buddies there are multi person chat channels built in for a reason.

If you can't or refuse to deal with an integral and fun part of EVE then stay in the NPC corp.

Posted by someone who has only been on the receiving end of wardecs

These are all great tears....

LIke other people said in the thread, if you dont want to adapt, join a NPC corp, and stop complaining.