Warfare & Tactics

First let me say that I know that coming up with a fair pvp system is not an easy task. That being said I have some large concerns with the new war dec system.

1. Why did CCP feel the need to change the war dec system that they had in place. I know they wanted to incorporate the ability to hire help for the defenders, but this feature seems like it is hardly used. Plus the groups that you often get offering their assistance, tend to have close ties to the people that war decc'd you in the first place. The old system seemed fair to me except if your corp wasn't in an alliance cause it was significantly cheaper to war dec. This leads to my 2nd issue.

2. It seems that their solution to the issue with single corps being cheap targets was to make everyone a cheap target by lowering the cost on decc'ing alliance significantly and only slightly raising the cost of decc'ing corps to match. This has led to a new breed of alliance. The High Sec war dec alliances, which did not exist very much before this change, but now seem to be everywhere. Making it impossible for Hi Sec industrial and missioning corps to play the part of the game that they enjoy and ultimately turning Hi Sec into another form of Low Sec since it is really cheap to ask concorde to look the other way.

3. My concern in part 2 destroys the gameplay experience for these "carebears" who actually fill a central role in the overall game. Trading in LP for special mods to sell on the market to people that enjoy PVP'ing. Or mining and producing ships that will later be destroyed in combat. This line of work is becoming way too risky and is being trolled way too often, and it seems that CCP just keeps making it easier to troll these people.

My suggestion, which is really just a base suggestion and is in no way perfect, is to either;

1) make war more costly for the aggressor as this will inspire them to choose targets more selectively (No war is started without a purpose or to just find easy targets, which is the case now in HiSec).

or

2) allow "carebears" the same right that you allow PVPer's. Since PvP corps can pay concorde a sum of isk every week to look the other way. Why not allow carebears to pay concorde a sum of isk every week to not allow them to be war decc'd.

I know a lot of pvp people will hate the 2nd idea because it'll make it too easy to keep safe in high-sec. To this I argue that it is currently too unsafe. I propose that a mixture of these 2 be instantiated. Increase the cost to war dec someone and continue war decc'ing them in order to make people choose targets more selectively and allow corps to pay a large sum each week to keep from being war decc'd.

I look forward to hearing people's replies and any stemming ideas.
-D

It seems for a 2009 char you know very little.

CCP increased the cost of deccing corps and alliance a lot. Remember when it was 2 mil for your first dec, 4 for your second and 8 mil for you 3rd war.

It is now 50 mil up to 500mil depending on the number of people you have.

Educate yourself before you post something that makes you look like you know nothing.

And as well... Thanks for adding you alliance on my list of wardecs.

The only thing broken with wardec mechanism is that you can't warderc NPC corp !!!

I'm concerned that you're not too familiar with the old war dec system. Yes war deccing a single corp use to be cheaper (which I stated) but war deccing alliances was much more expensive. I recommend you do your research my friend.

I'm not saying he's wrong. As a matter of fact he is correct. Perhaps he should just read my original post a little more diligently before attempting to correct me. And he stated nothing on war decc'ing alliances. So again. Maybe don't troll, but instead actually read.

Look at his post again. He most definitely did mention alliances.

No it wasn't, not exactly. Declaring war on a single alliance when you had no other active wars cost 50 million isk, right now it's 50 million as the base amount plus some number based on the size of the defending alliance, if you're looking at fighting only a single entity right now you pay more than you would have using the old mechanics.

There is an actual way that the changes in game mechanics and the costs of war have affected the behavior and organization of highsec war fighting corps and alliances, but you're clearly pretty oblivious to that.

Can't speak for any of those "griefer corps" but my guess is they're mostly looking to do just that, shed blood of random people - on the off chance one undocks their prized mission boat or hauler stuffed with all their belongings.

Everyone goes for softer expensive targets when they get the chance - say you go out low-sec in your assault frig. You get the choice of either engaging that bomber running FW missions, or that criminal Omen Navy on the gate, CLEARLY prepared for what you're about to bring to the table. It's not rocket science - everyone is gonna go for that bomber in hopes of taking down at least 30mil with the only effort being catching the damn thing.

In a game, sure! Random blood is as good a reason as any.

It also adds excitement, meaning and some risk to an otherwise futile ISK grind.


Look, there are two kinds of highsec carebears:

1) The 'Why won't you just leave me alone?!' types. They do not understand that being 'left alone' in a competitive MMO is nonsense and would make everybody's gameplay pointless - including their own. They basically do not want competition in a competitive MMO . They don't want to actually PLAY a game, they want to 'just relax' (their own words, often).

2) The 'Come at me bro!' types. They take time to learn and understand game mechanics. They have no issue at all in dealing with wardecs, either through 'drop corp' tricks or by good awareness and piloting. They also enjoy EVE competition in non-combat activities and they might sometimes use the wardec system themselves (hiring mercs) to gain an edge over other carebear corps.


IMHO the first category doesn't contribute much to the game (they might as well play on SiSi) while the second one does. So the game certainly shouldn't be made duller for the second type of players (+ all the PVPers) just to make the first category happier.

Remove the KillMail -> API -> Killboard system and suddenly kids who only care about KB stats find something else to entertain themselves.

In saying that, everyone is so scared of losing ships that actually getting people to fight is a nightmare. People hate RvB, but at least they go and blow each other up 10 times a day and don't whine about it.