EVE General Discussion

+1 for sure

lots more fun now glent ships are

Well personally i think if they switched TE stats and nerfed scorch a tad* the problems would be less severe.

so switch TE from 15% optimal and 30% falloff to 30% optimal and 15% falloff, then nerf scorch a bit would be just fine with me :)

you mean as it is now? station games is the only place where blaster ships can be used because you don't have to die trying to get close to the target.

but, will there be a reason to use it over a pulse zealot? or a vagabond? or even a beam zealot or munnin if you try to go rail with it? hell, for sniping is there a reason to even use it over a cerberus?

The only fix for hybrids is a redesign.

Why use it over a cerberus: Instant damage

Why use it over one of the other ships:

1) its all you can fly

2) at what is long range for beams its got higher DPS because it uses a shorter range ammo

3) shorter reload cycles means less down time between DPS

4) its short range guns can actually now compete dps wise with AC's, since most often times AC's are trying to shoot from deep fall off. Couple that with the fact that smart fitters will realize that most gallent ships have a built in damage bonus and a smart fitter will actually go towards buffing range (TE's) instead of DPS to better apply their already higher DPS.


Basically if you can alter the way you think about fitting from what is considered 'traditional' fitting, you'll find the Blaster ships competing nicely with their counterparts.

Caldari will fit Mag Stabs, Gallente will fit Tracking Enhancers (and still come out doing sweet DPS), Rails, well rails just pretty much own right now, the ability to use AntiMatter out to extreme ranges means that no, you don't use all the range potential of the rail, but the range you do use, will put out SIGNIFICANTLY higher DPS numbers than the beam or artillery counterparts, with the side effect of Rails out tracking Arty by a mile.

dont be a troll. you know perfectly well that there's no reason to fly a rail Deimos over a pulse Zealot, Cane, Cynabal, Vaga, etc. this is my point. if i cant fit a 1600mm with EANM's in the lows, and maintain 400-500 turret dps at 20-30km, then im not flying the Deimos.

if im gonna mount blasters on the Deimos, i might as well fly a BC, or the navy vex with sentries, which gives me more applied dps for the same EHP.

Would say I'm fairly content if those are the final changes. Railguns are now slightly more viable in a PvE situation. The reduced cap and fitting requirements are a major relief.

In combination with the destroyer buffs that are rolling in on the 29th, I can see Rail Catalysts and Rail Cormorants actually playing a role in small fleet situations.

pyfa has some pretty recent numbers.
Add 5% to blaster DPS, 10% to rail tracking, ignore the Naga and add a 25m3 drone bay to the Talos.
http://dl.evefit.org/eve-test/singularity-311120/pyfa-1.0.6-singularity-311120-win32.zip

All the fitting requirements are correctly updated, though.
Some Gallentean ships look really nice. Unfortunately, most Caldari hybrid ships are still terrible.

this

but ccp never redesigns anything, they just add useless shiny **** to distract you.

so from your view that means that:

A) basically blaster ships with damage mods are bad fits now? since I'll need to cram TE's on them and in the case of the deimos that means 2-3 lowslots of the 6 it has, so that it becomes a bad version of the vagabond? I mean it still has mobility issues, so that means that the lowslots are either for damage mods (and still be slower and have less damage projection than the vagabond) or nano (which will need 2 slots for to even compete with a vaga without any kind of nano even after changes), or going with tank and simply failing to reach the vaga every time.

ok it is a bit of a pigeonholing, a vaga vs deimos competition, but with a 2TE deimos + null and HAC 4, the falloff + optimal for a deimos is on the 24km range, and on the vaga is at about 40km range, and that's comparing a deimos with neutrons and a vagabond with 220's. atm without any speed changes, the vaga is a whole 800m/sec faster than the deimos, and that's not even using any speed mod besides a mwd in it. The zealot, as a counterpoint, will be doing, disregarding tracking, full damage with HPL and scorch aaaaaaaaallll the way till 40km and you still have about 8km falloff, while maintaining similar base speed with mwd. this using just 2 TE's.
damage wise, with just guns, we're looking at a range between 222dps of the barrage vaga all the way to 280dps of the null neutron deimos, with the zealot sitting confortably on the 260dps range. The 5% damage boost on the blasters might pull it to the 300dps damage barrier when using neutrons+null, and the more relaxed fittings might make it actually able to slam neutrons on it without running out grid, but the very same core issues that plagued blaster ships are still there: not enough damage for a point blank weapon (which you're trying to transform into a poor man's version of the autocannon btw), coupled with hulls that don't have enough mobility to bring the minimal damage advantage to bear.


B) gallente are now a sniper race? ok then, better forget about blasters then!