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Drone bay size on the Rattlesnake, as well as Drone vs Missile dmg
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Hexatron Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-05-25 10:45:49 UTC
Is it intended that the Rattlesnake will lose its versatility in drone choices, as it can carry less flights of drones than before?

Before depending on what drone sizes you have chosen, you could carry at least 5+ flights of drones with you, even when using several "bigger" ones like sentries or heavies, mixed in with mediums and lights. Now it is more like 3-4 flights if you use 2 different sentries and one heavy... and one flight of lights for defense against the "small stuff".

I feel that the drone bay should be at least expanded to 200m³ maybe 225m³ - i see no reason why the Rattlesnake should lose its drone carry capability or versatility. After all it is a drone boat, the only ship that is available to the drone users.




In regards to that i also feel that the missile damage part got too big. In my opinion the Rattlesnake should do more drone DPS and less missile DPS. It is the only pirate drone boat.. and the only "advanced" drone boat in battleship size. Especially now that there is a new missile based faction pirate battleship, i feel that the Rattlesnake should have more focus on drone dmg. There is basically no way a drone based pilot can really "upgrade to" once they use a Dominix or Armageddon when the Rattlesnake changes like currently proposed.



My sugegstion for the Rattlesnake would be:
-Increase the drone bay, to about 225m³
-Increase the drone damage bonus
-Remove the 5th launcher again


In my opinion the Rattlesnake is a drone boat, and it should focus on this strength.. instead of turning 50% drone dps and 50% missile dps. Also the second ultility high slot for the Rattlesnake is very useful, in putting either a second drone range link there, or a remote repper to fix your drones back up after a fight.

Those are the things that came to my mind after playing around with the new Rattle for some time. Don't get me wrong, it is a very nice ship, the DPS is also really nice, it is fun flying it... it just feels "wrong" to me as a drone boat veteran and drone lover. Drones is the only weapon system i have skilled to all five and T2, all others are stuck to just meta variants, as i have always used them as main weapon.. now this path of staying a "drone only" pilot gets watered down some. This game is about choices, and if i chose to stick to drones as much as possible, i have no real "end game battleship" anymore.
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#2 - 2014-05-25 10:56:44 UTC
Hexatron Ormand wrote:
Is it intended that the Rattlesnake will lose its versatility in drone choices, as it can carry less flights of drones than before?

Before depending on what drone sizes you have chosen, you could carry at least 5+ flights of drones with you, even when using several "bigger" ones like sentries or heavies, mixed in with mediums and lights. Now it is more like 3-4 flights if you use 2 different sentries and one heavy... and one flight of lights for defense against the "small stuff".

I feel that the drone bay should be at least expanded to 200m³ maybe 225m³ - i see no reason why the Rattlesnake should lose its drone carry capability or versatility. After all it is a drone boat, the only ship that is available to the drone users.




In regards to that i also feel that the missile damage part got too big. In my opinion the Rattlesnake should do more drone DPS and less missile DPS. It is the only pirate drone boat.. and the only "advanced" drone boat in battleship size. Especially now that there is a new missile based faction pirate battleship, i feel that the Rattlesnake should have more focus on drone dmg. There is basically no way a drone based pilot can really "upgrade to" once they use a Dominix or Armageddon when the Rattlesnake changes like currently proposed.



My sugegstion for the Rattlesnake would be:
-Increase the drone bay, to about 225m³
-Increase the drone damage bonus
-Remove the 5th launcher again


In my opinion the Rattlesnake is a drone boat, and it should focus on this strength.. instead of turning 50% drone dps and 50% missile dps. Also the second ultility high slot for the Rattlesnake is very useful, in putting either a second drone range link there, or a remote repper to fix your drones back up after a fight.

Those are the things that came to my mind after playing around with the new Rattle for some time. Don't get me wrong, it is a very nice ship, the DPS is also really nice, it is fun flying it... it just feels "wrong" to me as a drone boat veteran and drone lover. Drones is the only weapon system i have skilled to all five and T2, all others are stuck to just meta variants, as i have always used them as main weapon.. now this path of staying a "drone only" pilot gets watered down some. This game is about choices, and if i chose to stick to drones as much as possible, i have no real "end game battleship" anymore.


Are you taking in to account the fact that you're not launching as many drones at once, you will no longer need 5 drones for a full flight, giving it enough space to carry too many drones just means it would end up having longer fight potential than it does now
Hexatron Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-05-25 17:07:40 UTC
Thats taken in account yes... i was flying it on the testserver.. i had the drones in bay. And i have less flights now on testserver (even considering i only need 2 of them) compared to the life server.

Some drones you still need to take 5 with you... for example a flight of light drones are still 5... not 2 (no bonuses on them).

On Testserver 2 sets of sentries, 1 set of heavies.. and one flight of lights.. and you are full. On life you still have room on top of that.. for more mediums.. or some maintenance bots.. or maybe some e-war or whatever else you find usefull.

Thats why i usggested 225 - that allows you just 1 flight of mediums extra compared to now.. or 2 sets of lights.. thats still not much.


The devs need to consider just cause all the bonuses are for sentries and large drones, players will not suddenly stop carrying mediums or lights.. or e-war drones... or logistik drones. So the Rattlesnake needs more room.

My suggestion for 225m³ is quite moderate. If it was for me i would go for 300m³ - ewar drones never had a bonus, so having flights of those with you is still very valid.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#4 - 2014-05-25 17:35:20 UTC
Hexatron Ormand wrote:
Thats taken in account yes... i was flying it on the testserver.. i had the drones in bay. And i have less flights now on testserver (even considering i only need 2 of them) compared to the life server.

Some drones you still need to take 5 with you... for example a flight of light drones are still 5... not 2 (no bonuses on them).

On Testserver 2 sets of sentries, 1 set of heavies.. and one flight of lights.. and you are full. On life you still have room on top of that.. for more mediums.. or some maintenance bots.. or maybe some e-war or whatever else you find usefull.

Thats why i usggested 225 - that allows you just 1 flight of mediums extra compared to now.. or 2 sets of lights.. thats still not much.


The devs need to consider just cause all the bonuses are for sentries and large drones, players will not suddenly stop carrying mediums or lights.. or e-war drones... or logistik drones. So the Rattlesnake needs more room.

My suggestion for 225m³ is quite moderate. If it was for me i would go for 300m³ - ewar drones never had a bonus, so having flights of those with you is still very valid.


If you mean that the Rattlesnake get the dronebay like the Gila does I'm okay but if you need a damage increase you're nuts (sorry).

The Gila can carry all of the four races medium drones and even four light drones or one spare medium if you wish.

Now on the Rattler the story is different that is true and I'd say, tell them in the Pirate Battleship thread.

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Hexatron Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-05-25 17:51:12 UTC
elitatwo wrote:


If you mean that the Rattlesnake get the dronebay like the Gila does I'm okay but if you need a damage increase you're nuts (sorry).

The Gila can carry all of the four races medium drones and even four light drones or one spare medium if you wish.

Now on the Rattler the story is different that is true and I'd say, tell them in the Pirate Battleship thread.

Right now CCP Rise is on sick leave Sad and we hope he gets better really soon so that he can respond to us.



Yes, it could be helpfull to carry around more different racial variants... or extras.... or just "utility" drones, like the Rattlesnake can do on the life server currently.

Coming to the damage: I don't want a damge increase... i want a damage "shift". Shifting away from the launchers, to the drones. Right now the rattlesnake does about 50% missile damage and 50% drone damage. I want the overall DPS to be the same the Rattlesnake has on the testserver now, just more focused on drones.... INSTEAD of the launchers. So no increase.. but "shifted to a different source". As i feel a drone boat should do drone damage mainly.. and not so much launcher damage.
LAZMAN
Hypnotic Anarchy
Fraternity.
#6 - 2014-05-26 01:00:52 UTC
100% Agreed.
As it stands the rattle has received a practicality nerf. Its not much worse stats wise than before but due to these above points its practically a lot worse.
I would settle for a large bay increase but would be lovely to lose the 5th launcher and gain more drone dps as my current fit is less effective than on tq currently.
Also i found that with only two drones bandwith its suffering with people just shooting the drones down more.
Hexatron Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-05-26 14:54:56 UTC
Will devs read this here? Or would i have to take it to the Pirate BS feedpack posting in "features and ideas" like some of the other posters suggested?

Haven't seen any official feedback thingie in the testserver forum, thats why i made this posting in the first place.