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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#21 - 2014-05-27 01:21:52 UTC
C4 / C4 and run marauders. Or even go to C4/C5 and do the same, if you feel incapable of scaling up the corp to full cap escalations.

Even partial escalations are worthwhile. it's 8 more Sleeper BS, every time you warp in the Archon.

It doesn't take much effort to get the cap hulls with T1 fits, and if you do partial escalations, you really only need one capital hull, and soon you will be able to afford a second and third and fourth.

The thing is, all these guys saying "grow your member, take C5 fights" are running 10-30 man T3 fleets already, as a rule. If you get your whole corp to 30 members, it will be 10 meatbods and 5-6 man gangs. 10 man dualboxing gangs if you want. You won't stand a chance, and you don't learn much at all about wormhole fights in C5's if you DIAF inside of 20 seconds.

The proper way to learn is to attend the batphone events, and adsorb the meta via camping out round the bonfire of a POS burning stront. Your blueslist supplies the giant blob, you just follow pimaries, press F1 and learn.

You should also be prepared to fight in nullsec more than wormholes. My C5 lyfe was mostly hunting in our C2 chain/hisec, or watching bots warp to POS in nullsec. Occasionally some clown would titan bridge a 60 man HAC fleet onto our nullsec connection which was a fun bit of distraction. We got a couple of good fights in the RUS periphery renter space, because null Russians who don't dock are crazy-ass like weasels hopped up on PCP kind of fight-anything.

I agree you won't be evicted swiftly, but if you are evicted, remember to forum sperge about it royally, because we all love a good read.
Hans Bonderstadt
#22 - 2014-05-27 08:11:19 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
remember to forum sperge about it royally, because we all love a good read.

Ill remember to do so next time :D

the trap is our venue pussy is on the menu

Meytal
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-05-27 12:20:48 UTC
Don't feel obligated to move to a C5 or anywhere; the only difference is do you want to field caps in regular combat or only in home defense? You can always kill them everywhere regardless of where you live (new-Phoenix in a Pulsar is going to be a royal pain though). Figure out what you want for your corp and from your corp, and what your capabilities are and likely will be in the medium-term future, and settle appropriately.

Coming from a non-smallish C2 corp, I can highly recommend living in a C2. Depending on your statics and your willingness to scan and hunt for targets, you can do quite well regardless of your size. Anomalous Existence is one of the better known "low class" groups, and they can field large, imposing, and shiny fleets like the rest of the W-space groups while "only" living in a C2. Pick a C2 or C4 static for PvP or a C3 static for PvE; all of those can come with a Hisec. Or go full-on C2/NS/C5 and ignore the easy Hisec logistics.

Bastion Marauders mean you can't sit back and let your ECM protect your towers anymore, so you even get some variety in POS mods nowadays, like what the C5/C6 guys are used to.
Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#24 - 2014-05-27 18:00:40 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Hope the bullies don't discourage you from growth. We definitely need more diversity in wspace. I'm sure anyone here is willing to give you some useful advice.


WH Lesson 1: Don't smack talk local and make the situation personal... Blink

Otherwise, best of luck growing the corp, always good to see more active folks around.

Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...

Hans Bonderstadt
#25 - 2014-05-27 19:54:57 UTC
Nash MacAllister wrote:
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Hope the bullies don't discourage you from growth. We definitely need more diversity in wspace. I'm sure anyone here is willing to give you some useful advice.


WH Lesson 1: Don't smack talk local and make the situation personal... Blink

Yeahh, we learned that lesson on the first eviction
Nash MacAllister wrote:
Otherwise, best of luck growing the corp, always good to see more active folks around.

Thanks Big smile

the trap is our venue pussy is on the menu

Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#26 - 2014-05-27 20:47:55 UTC
C5 life has been good for us so far. Still no cap pilots but were not here for the ISK were here to try and master black holes........ Ill get back to you on that if we ever do Straight

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Destoth La'Rakian
The Intrinsic Ones
#27 - 2014-05-27 22:47:05 UTC
O7 Hans we live in a c5-c3 probably the best for pre cap corps , domi fleets can run a load a the c5 stuff an c3 static helps keep every1 payed up an entertained plus if you love pew then roll thatc3 mass is small so ez rolls but idk how many ppl you would need to hold it,I'm new to wh as well but most corps an alli are cool an if you give fights then there usually even nicer after they knwyour not farm bears.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#28 - 2014-05-27 23:58:17 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
C5 life has been good for us so far. Still no cap pilots but were not here for the ISK were here to try and master black holes........ Ill get back to you on that if we ever do Straight


Suggest downgrading to C4. Even without capital escalations and the inherent dangers and limitations of escalating in BH C5's (slow align, bad weapon performance) the negatives are just too strong in C5's to be able to alter your fits for subcaps to actually game the negatives into a positive. In c4 space, where i lived in a BH for 9 months, it's doable...and hilarious when Cynabals come to take on your Drakes.

Good news is that CSM and CCP Greyscale are still looking in to black holes and finding a fix.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#29 - 2014-05-28 01:27:18 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Job Valador wrote:
C5 life has been good for us so far. Still no cap pilots but were not here for the ISK were here to try and master black holes........ Ill get back to you on that if we ever do Straight


Suggest downgrading to C4. Even without capital escalations and the inherent dangers and limitations of escalating in BH C5's (slow align, bad weapon performance) the negatives are just too strong in C5's to be able to alter your fits for subcaps to actually game the negatives into a positive. In c4 space, where i lived in a BH for 9 months, it's doable...and hilarious when Cynabals come to take on your Drakes.

Good news is that CSM and CCP Greyscale are still looking in to black holes and finding a fix.



Rail Rokhs. 500+ DPS (skill differences) with 60 km falloff. For running the sleeper sites it works and we get done in good time.

As for PvP well... Secret for now what we are trying to use. Hopefully we can pull off what we are attempting. Till then we all hope to get a "gudfight" soon but have not yet connected to anyone really all that active when we have the bulk of our guys on.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Punisher004
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-05-28 04:56:20 UTC
Hey guys welcome to the club.

My advice is get a cheap doctrine so you can pvp without stressing about expensive lossmails . Take fights you think you can win and some you know you cant win. Take those losses and learn from them and keep it positive, you will earn respect this way and grow as pvpers.

Good luck
Hans Bonderstadt
#31 - 2014-06-04 08:03:46 UTC
So from what Ive seen, C4>C3 like we have doesn't have as much PVP as we hoped, and the only real fights are other C4s that connect to us, or C4s and C2s that share statics.
But even then, a good number of those just POS up cus they're farmers :v

the trap is our venue pussy is on the menu

Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
#32 - 2014-06-04 10:05:32 UTC
T3's arn't always the answer, even though the goods are out there to grab. The only biggest annoyance is the fitting in space!
T2's and even several T1 do a nice job aswel, so don't let others out talk you on that and still, you don't loose SP when loosing a ship ofcourse. Several ishtars with logi and some ecm can be wonderfull if you can field that.

.EC.. of [TOHA], Industrialists with guns. We're overe there, some where and no where... Contacting go through ingame convo's .EC.. and [TOHA] are recruiting, get in contact with us

Blumpkin Fairy
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-06-04 11:01:58 UTC
Hans Bonderstadt wrote:
So from what Ive seen, C4>C3 like we have doesn't have as much PVP as we hoped, and the only real fights are other C4s that connect to us, or C4s and C2s that share statics.
But even then, a good number of those just POS up cus they're farmers :v


You might have a bit more like having a c2 static if you're looking for small gang pvp
The Feuror
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-06-04 11:31:51 UTC
o/ welcome bros. C4s may be changing with corbex in csm position you might end up liking a 4/5 better then a 5/5. Most fun I have had was in a c2 with 5/null static. You dont need caps to have a good time in wh's.

VVOOF is recruiting able pvpers for WH BLOPS operations

The Feuror
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-06-04 12:25:03 UTC
Hans Bonderstadt wrote:
So from what Ive seen, C4>C3 like we have doesn't have as much PVP as we hoped, and the only real fights are other C4s that connect to us, or C4s and C2s that share statics.
But even then, a good number of those just POS up cus they're farmers :v


Step 1 place scout in there hole
Step 2 call some bros and skull **** them
Step 3 sell hole to people that PvP.

;) if you run onto farmers hit me up in game and ill stront check there towers.( this is only for farmers not people that give fights, we need people that fight in wh's (we're not bloodunion;)))

VVOOF is recruiting able pvpers for WH BLOPS operations

Hans Bonderstadt
#36 - 2014-06-04 18:57:49 UTC
The Feuror wrote:
Hans Bonderstadt wrote:
So from what Ive seen, C4>C3 like we have doesn't have as much PVP as we hoped, and the only real fights are other C4s that connect to us, or C4s and C2s that share statics.
But even then, a good number of those just POS up cus they're farmers :v


Step 1 place scout in there hole
Step 2 call some bros and skull **** them
Step 3 sell hole to people that PvP.

;) if you run onto farmers hit me up in game and ill stront check there towers.( this is only for farmers not people that give fights, we need people that fight in wh's (we're not bloodunion;)))

Haha alright man thanks, Ill hold you to that :D
But does anyone know why C4 holes don't get wandering K-space entrances? I haven't seen one in my entire life.

the trap is our venue pussy is on the menu

The Feuror
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-06-04 19:27:30 UTC
Hans Bonderstadt wrote:
The Feuror wrote:
Hans Bonderstadt wrote:
So from what Ive seen, C4>C3 like we have doesn't have as much PVP as we hoped, and the only real fights are other C4s that connect to us, or C4s and C2s that share statics.
But even then, a good number of those just POS up cus they're farmers :v


Step 1 place scout in there hole
Step 2 call some bros and skull **** them
Step 3 sell hole to people that PvP.

;) if you run onto farmers hit me up in game and ill stront check there towers.( this is only for farmers not people that give fights, we need people that fight in wh's (we're not bloodunion;)))

Haha alright man thanks, Ill hold you to that :D
But does anyone know why C4 holes don't get wandering K-space entrances? I haven't seen one in my entire life.


Probably for the same reason we dont have Alliance bookmarks. Would be nice but CCP meh effort.

VVOOF is recruiting able pvpers for WH BLOPS operations

Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-06-04 19:58:13 UTC
Hans Bonderstadt wrote:
The Feuror wrote:
Hans Bonderstadt wrote:
So from what Ive seen, C4>C3 like we have doesn't have as much PVP as we hoped, and the only real fights are other C4s that connect to us, or C4s and C2s that share statics.
But even then, a good number of those just POS up cus they're farmers :v


Step 1 place scout in there hole
Step 2 call some bros and skull **** them
Step 3 sell hole to people that PvP.

;) if you run onto farmers hit me up in game and ill stront check there towers.( this is only for farmers not people that give fights, we need people that fight in wh's (we're not bloodunion;)))

Haha alright man thanks, Ill hold you to that :D
But does anyone know why C4 holes don't get wandering K-space entrances? I haven't seen one in my entire life.

Because not even CCP likes C4s.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.

Sandslinger
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-06-04 20:01:25 UTC
Welcome to wormholes

Important things

Keep Activity high, reward people who make **** happen. Especially important now towards the summer lull

Don't go smacking around, Wh'ers can keep a grudge for a long time.

Take chances, loosing a fleet isn't the end of the world sometimes it's much worse your members getting boored by risk adversity.

Streamline as many of the tasks as possible, make sure you don't burn your directors out. CCP hasn't exactly made pos living easy at the best of times.

Tons more enough to write a book about but you'll figure it out along the way. =)


Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#40 - 2014-06-04 20:02:04 UTC
Never not remove content from WH space, right ))?

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

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