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What is considerd to be RMT'ing?

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Mrs Epeen
Doomheim
#21 - 2014-05-24 16:23:42 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
it's obviously not RMTing, why is this even a thread?

no real money has been traded.
And politicians are NEVER bribed...
Dave Stark
#22 - 2014-05-24 16:26:51 UTC
Mrs Epeen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
it's obviously not RMTing, why is this even a thread?

no real money has been traded.
And politicians are NEVER bribed...

and i have 4 fingers and a thumb, on each hand.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#23 - 2014-05-24 16:29:36 UTC
This thread is a prime example of why NPC corp alts should not be allowed to post
Mrs Epeen
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-05-24 16:34:53 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
This thread is a prime example of why NPC corp alts should not be allowed to post
Where would we be without it?

Honestly.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2014-05-24 16:36:54 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
I'd call this a fringe case as the site in question is not exclusive to EVE, and the relevant TOS sections and GM clarification do not address "news" sites or OOG publishing.
It's not particularly fringe. It's an EVE-related website, and those have fallen under that justification since roughly forever.

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The local tax man is who ultimately decides what qualifies as RMT, and not CCP.
Nah. They decide what qualifies as a real-world transaction, not RMT. Since the virtual goods are worthless (and not even owned by the people involved), that part isn't something the tax man has much say in at all.
Dave Stark
#26 - 2014-05-24 16:37:45 UTC
Mrs Epeen wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
This thread is a prime example of why NPC corp alts should not be allowed to post
Where would we be without it?

Honestly.

we'd be in a situation with less idiotic threads and forum posts. that's for certain.
Mrs Epeen
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-05-24 16:42:20 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
we'd be in a situation with less idiotic threads and forum posts. that's for certain.
Agreed.

However...history has taught us what happens to those that oppose powerful men.
Dave Stark
#28 - 2014-05-24 16:44:06 UTC
Mrs Epeen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
we'd be in a situation with less idiotic threads and forum posts. that's for certain.
Agreed.

However...history has taught us what happens to those that oppose powerful men.


point, and case.
Mrs Epeen
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-05-24 16:46:18 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Mrs Epeen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
we'd be in a situation with less idiotic threads and forum posts. that's for certain.
Agreed.

However...history has taught us what happens to those that oppose powerful men.


point, and case.

You just agreed to the fact that you are wrong.

Thank You...
Dave Stark
#30 - 2014-05-24 16:49:43 UTC
Mrs Epeen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Mrs Epeen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
we'd be in a situation with less idiotic threads and forum posts. that's for certain.
Agreed.

However...history has taught us what happens to those that oppose powerful men.


point, and case.

You just agreed to the fact that you are wrong.

Thank You...

actually i just pointed out NPC alts post complete crap.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#31 - 2014-05-24 16:49:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Tippia wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
I'd call this a fringe case as the site in question is not exclusive to EVE, and the relevant TOS sections and GM clarification do not address "news" sites or OOG publishing.
It's not particularly fringe. It's an EVE-related website, and those have fallen under that justification since roughly forever.

Quote:
The local tax man is who ultimately decides what qualifies as RMT, and not CCP.
Nah. They decide what qualifies as a real-world transaction, not RMT. Since the virtual goods are worthless (and not even owned by the people involved), that part isn't something the tax man has much say in at all.


I'm not referring to the isk, it's the entity receiving the RL goods or services (enriched party) that is subject to the tax man in the US.

CCP allows "news" sites and similar to operate and RMT at their pleasure, until they don't, as evidenced by changes made after the Somer fiasco.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Mrs Epeen
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-05-24 16:52:18 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
I'm not referring to the isk, it's the entity receiving the RL goods or services (enriched party) that is subject to the tax man in the US.
^ This ^
Cyran Reinhard
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-05-24 16:52:58 UTC
In a very round about way it could be ISK laundering, but you also have to remember that the website costs real money to run.

The big thing is that the transactions are very seperate. ISK is paid to writers. Artices are put on website. Website has ads that generate revenue.

Also, some of that revenue is then used to buy plex to pay writers as well as the real money cost of the website.
Prince Kobol
#34 - 2014-05-24 16:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
If you are earning real life money by trading virtual goods and not declaring it then HMRC (UK Tax Man) will be very interested.

HMRC couldn't give a toss what your trading. It can virtual goods, it could be shaven cats, it could used novelty condoms, HMRC only care that you declare your earnings so they can decide how much tax you have to pay


Also.. grrr goons Big smile
Mrs Epeen
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-05-24 16:57:35 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
If you are earning real life money by trading virtual goods and not declaring it then HMRC (UK Tax Man) will be very interested.

HMRC couldn't give a toss what your trading. It can virtual goods, it could be shaven cats, it could used novelty condoms, HMRC only care that you declare your earnings so they can decide how much tax you have to pay


Also.. grrr goons Big smile

You've lost sight of the prize...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#36 - 2014-05-24 16:58:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Doc Fury wrote:
I'm not referring to the isk, it's the entity receiving the RL goods or services (enriched party) that is subject to the tax man in the US.

CCP allows "news" sites and similar to operate and RMT at their pleasure, until they don't, as evidenced by changes made after the Somer fiasco.

Oh sure. I'm merely pointing out that without the ISK, it's not RMT and that this part of the equation is beyond the reach of the tax officials. Like you hint at, if anything they're likely argue that you've (perhaps illegally) haven't been paid if all you get is a database change on CCP's servers.

The Somer fiasco was a bit of an odd bird since the things you bought directly resulted in Somer earning cash, and that this directly resulted in you getting something that looked suspiciously similar to an in-game currency. The series of exchanges that connect someone writing a piece for TMC to TMC getting cash and handing it out to people is a fair bit more arms-length than that.
Mrs Epeen
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-05-24 17:04:09 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Just to warn you guys that Prince Kobol is a thief.

Original Thread

Your opinion makes sense now...
Josef Djugashvilis
#38 - 2014-05-24 17:06:57 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
If you are earning real life money by trading virtual goods and not declaring it then HMRC (UK Tax Man) will be very interested.

HMRC couldn't give a toss what your trading. It can virtual goods, it could be shaven cats, it could used novelty condoms, HMRC only care that you declare your earnings so they can decide how much tax you have to pay


Also.. grrr goons Big smile


Gary Barlow and others would like a word with you...

Seems to be that some folk only declare their wealth to the tax man after the fact so to speak.

RMT is what CCP say it is, no more no less.

This is not a signature.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#39 - 2014-05-24 17:13:55 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:

actually i just pointed out NPC alts post complete crap.


I post complete crap.

So I'm an NPC alt now?

That's deeply offensive. You're not my friend anymore.

Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!  - Freyya

Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.
Dave Stark
#40 - 2014-05-24 17:16:59 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
You're not my friend anymore.

good.
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