Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I suggested that along with this change, POSes be given an auto-refueling module that allows them to store extra fuel at the cost of powergrid and of having the fuel in the POS where raiders and corp thieves can take it. But it would give an option for people who don't want to have to refuel the POS for a few weeks or months.

They won't have as much need for supers when the big alliances and coalitions don't have as many anymore.

Oh great and insightful Oz. Please give some supporting documentation to your claims. I've always heard that supers were intended to be something that required the cooperation and resources of an entire alliance to OBTAIN. They were thought to be sooo expensive, and require sooo much effort to build, that only a handful would ever exist. I want you to take a step back and ask yourself, what is the difference between the words obtaining and MAINTAINING. I've NEVER heard CCP state that supers were meant to require 24/7 defense in order to maintain them. Things that I've heard is that they need cyno pilots to move from system to system (or remote DD an entire enemy fleet in their original implementation). I've heard they need logisticians to bring them fuel to operating their DD and jump drives. But I have NEVER heard that CCP inteded alliances to defend them 24/7.

And again, I challenge yall: What problem and/or issue is this idea solving? What are you fixing by making supers so "tedious" to maintain?

I get the feeling the people asking for or supporting this ridiculous idea don't even own a super or titan. They're already tedious enough to own and operate, this doesn't really do much except make pilots even more hesitant to train and invest into supercaps.

Ok question...when the pilot is logged off and the ship stays in space, is it empty? Can someone with the skills jump into it like it is an abandoned ship, or does a "this ship is currently occupied. You may not do that" alert come up?

Forget how they are actually used, for a moment.

Consider, instead, how they were intended. Why does that POS module exist, if alts are the true best solution for storing them.

I believe these were intended to be corp and alliance assets.

Sure, personal ownership of these monsters is a reality.
Does that make it good for the game?

Are we in a position where these cannot be fixed to meet the intended role, since an unintended one has emerged?

I would not be quick to assume this change would be bad for the game. It might just make the dynamic better than ever.

Would this be before or after the major power blocks wehn bored hit pos's like fiends?


Small alliance planning hit and run tactics on goon super pos holding systems....snow balls in hell are laughing at the chance of this.


Goons or other major block saying lets go hit some pos' because wtf we gonna for the next 3 days, chances are real high.

Real dynamic...about as dynamic as when a major block gets a hair up their ass to steam roll provi for lols...again. Yay...blob leaves and provi tries to raise the hippy commune again. technically dynamic, I guess I will grant that.


Power block on power block....jsut ties into sov really. Something else to shoot...yawn. And I'd see major super keeping systems being locked down by cyno jams when no ops planned atm. This has a small alliance completely out of the picture. If lacking the fleets to kill supers on the field...I am highly doubting the numbers are there to bum rush blops and bombers to do this well. Somehow I'd see major super pos' being jsut a bit shy of deathstar. Even shield tanked...I am not getting warm fuzzies about taking my widow on even a half assed deathstar.

There's a few ways to address this, and the other mechanics raised. I've just some across this thread and I have a few thoughts in reaction...

First, a chance to POS mechanics, generally, may be required. Obviously they are not going to make it that someone can just take(steal) your titan, within reason...

First off, addressing the log-offs mechanics generally. Someone already suggested that super be enabled to have a designated log-off location. I think this is a fantastic idea, e.g., you enter system and designate a bookmark as your logoff location. Could be a pos, or just the middle of no where. Now, with your ship staying in system, it might be best for all ships to set the same location so that the spot can be protected and avoid a lone super flying off in the middle of a fight. Placing a POS in the system in advance would just give you a safe haven for this.

Second, with respect to POSs. The idea was proposed that some buff to POSs is needed, along with the ability to anchor supers at the pos. I think this is a good idea. They should not be able to be bumped out of the POS if you go though the trouble of anchoring them at some type of new Module that enables this. I also suggest the following roles for this new module.

i) it would buff the defense ability of the POS, either though a longer reinforce time or some other various method of defense (maybe some SOV bonus, etc.) I'll leave it to the more savvy POS-people here to decide on what that could be.

ii) With respect to piloting supers and their ability to be stolen. A new mechanic can be introduced that enables you to set SHIP-SPECIFIC roles for entering/unanchoring the super while it is anchored. That is, once anchored, only a pilot on a pre-set list of characters can unanchor the super. Gotta be able to put some trust in SOMEONE if you want to leave this super at a POS and have it be saved by your corp without you. You don't have to set a character for this role, but it can at least give you the option to have someone save the ship if the POS is going down. It doesn't completely solve the issues with 'personal vs. corp' ownership of a POS, but maybe there's more to this idea that I'm not seeing yet. (Maybe a different grantable-role would only enable a pilot to instruct the super to jump to a predesignated POS and auto-anchor there?? [to prevent one person from jumping 20 supers alone, you would need to jump With the super]) And, if the tower is offline, then I suppose the ship is vulnerable, but maybe there's no way to prevent that.

Third, there exits, always, the problem of what happens if you leave the game for a long period of time. And this MUST be addressed and I believe it is also where the core of your idea must have a limit. And I believe a SAFE-LOG OFF mechanic must exist, but you won't have it everywhere. So, this proposed super-pos-docking module I discussed above, could enable something like this, enable you to anchor a super specifically for the purpose of a safe-log-off. This would start a timer on the super (which, should be, I think, LONGER than the reinforced timer, by a small amount), after which running down would cause the ship to disappear from space until the player logs back in.

Thoughts? I don't own a super, so maybe this is all crazy-talk. But maybe it's the best idea ever?

Are you serious?

Now, not only do the large, well established alliances offer better protections for supers. They now get to provide their supers with a despawning mechanic to permanently make their ships safe.

On the other hand, any other entity that doesn't have Sov 5 must keep their supers in space 100% of the time because the "safe log off" mechanic isn't even available to them?

Do you not understand how ridiculously biased your mechanic is?

+1
It shouldn't be that easy to hide a ship the size off manhatten
with a big enough weapon to klll a planet... yes google it!