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New to EVE - advice or help - Caldari pilot - Future Golem Pilot
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#21 - 2014-05-24 13:09:51 UTC
The Golem isn't a good hanger queen. If you just want a BS for ship spinning, any of the Scorpion based hulls are superior. It is good that you have a goal, but don't try to ISK Tank your way to it. Don't even buy one until you can fly it, fit it, and immediately run out and **** and pillage L4s.

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Tulara
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#22 - 2014-05-25 13:35:07 UTC
you need to understand, that you'll need at least 1 year of intensive skill phase before doing lvl 4 with a golem, because you cannot go in lvl 4 with a t1 fit, whatever the ship.
you shouldn't care about a long term goal.
you should evolved relative to your in game experience.

and btw, how are u going to afford this golem?
Vogon Roads
Vogon Inc
#23 - 2014-05-25 14:07:10 UTC
Hello,
I have the following to add-

-my golem is sitting at 1.5billion isk, and thats without alot of bling. Since that kind of ship might attract some gank interest, be sure you have enough isk on hand to replace your ship if content creation should happen to you.

- other skills to consider- train up the skills for a target painter. with hull bonus and skills, I have a 50% increase to target sig radius.
I don't have hard numbers or graphs to show you, but the one painter i equip seems to really help with dps application.

- consider the use of faction missiles as well as t2 missiles. I believe they are worth the cost, as they significantly decrease mission completion times.


Have fun on your path thru Eve.
0rch1d
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#24 - 2014-05-25 14:41:10 UTC  |  Edited by: 0rch1d
Alexi Drakenovich wrote:
Hello fellow Capsuleers,

I am new to this game, 3 or 4 days old now, I have chosen the Caldari race, and while I'm pretty sure I can cross train to use other races ships, I honestly don't want too, I like the Caldari race and feel, and to top that off i read a bunch of books about the Caldair and love them, not to mention the only 3 Agents I work for are Mordu's Legion, Caldari Navy and the Ishukone Corporation.

Now my main question is about my future in EVE, more precisely, what ship I want to fly in my future with this game, an I have landed my sights on the Golem, as it seems to embody most of what the Caldari's main aspects are of ship warfare (well, that and a State Raven, and apparently they are rare, if anyone has one though I'd be willing to trade 6 PLEX for it, not sure if that is what they are worth or not, so don't slap me if that's an insult of an offer).

I just want to know if the Golem, is in fact a good or worthy ship


Totally with you on the Caldari role-play aspect. I enjoy their lore and history as well.

However, as was mentioned earlier, why a Golem in particular? Not trying to bust on ya over it, but in terms of your expectations it's the good old standard Raven (which can be cheap-fit to breeze through Lvl 4s in far less time than what it would take you to get into a golem) that is not only the mainstay of the Caldari Navy, but which also exemplifies the "Caldari Way": missile warfare at long range. Even the Drake qualifies if you consider its ability to tank and deal out damage. The Golem is more of a speciality ship that takes ages to get into. What it does it does well, but for steep costs/training time.

The big draw of a Golem is its ability to run a mission and hoover everything up simultaneously while sporting a great tank. If these features are important to you, then by all means... but a CNR or SNI (for around half the price) or even a well-fit standard Raven (for just a fraction of the price) will finish missions just as fast, if not faster. And currently a Golem will run you (bought outright) over a shade past a billion ISK in the Forge/Lonetrek area (and that's before fittings), which is on the low end. You can get into a CNR/SNI for half that. And in my view, even those aren't quite worth it for missioning on the regular - but for the Navy Scorp being the more interesting option of the two. You're better off in the long run to know how to fit and fly your standard Raven well (if you wish to stick with Caldari ships), after which you can test how other Caldari ships that you can easily afford can better apply your by then well-honed missioning strategy. And by that time you might have moved on to something else in EVE entirely.

i'm aware that your (ship) interests at the outset are very particular, but a lot of us were like that when we were new to EVE. And, as often happens, those fledgling interests changed, and not at all for the worse, I might add.

Finally, with the latest buffs to Cruise Missiles and the Raven, upgrading to a CNR is less attractive than is used to be. And now more than ever, a properly fit Raven (and you don't need to break the bank to do it) will serve you very well for quite some time - certainly for as long as it'll take you to get into a Golem. Blink

If you're looking to do other kinds of PVE, I'm pretty sure there are better choices out there than the Golem in the first place.
Alexi Drakenovich
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-05-26 04:36:17 UTC
Thank you all so much for your replies and advice, it is helping me a great deal to form a picture about where I wanna be in this game, I'll try and answer most of you (apologies if I miss one or two of you).

And just so you none of you call me a liar with my skill times I have used a few of those Cerebral implant things that up my attributes by like 20+ all together, got them with my sign up.

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Welcome to EvE!
Train the support skills, and tech 2 stuff FIRST! Then go for the Golem.
Remember, just because you can pilot the ship, doesn't mean you can pilot it effectively :)


Thank you for the welcome, I have most Caldari Relevent Skills to Lvl 3 across the board, so all my Shield stuff, CPU, Missile stuff (up to Heavy Missiles Lvl 1 so far), my Ship Command skills can put me in a Battleship right now, so I should be able use tech 2 equivilants within a day or 2 max of shield stuff and missile stuff, and when I say I can pilot it in X days does not mean I am gonna go strap a shiny target to it and loose it the day I can fly it, it won't be leaving the hanger till I can kick ass with it

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For some more suggestions of skills specific to the Golem I'd probably add:

For Target Painters:
Target Painting
Signature Focusing
Frequency Modulation
Long distance Jamming
Getting the above to level 4 will help bring out the potential of the Golem's bonuses


For Micro Jump Drives:
Micro Jump Drive Operation
A nice option with the cooldown reduction bonus but not essential to enjoying the ship


Target Painting is one I focused on cause I thought it would help my Krestel and Corax better with LM, so its at lvl 3 atm, I will train more when I get into my Raven so I can use tech 2 Equivelent, And MJD I will most deffinately train that when i get a window, didn't think of it to be honest.

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below u will find 2 fits the first is for all the skills u need to fit it efficiently the 2nd is the true fit. U will also need all mission support skills at 4 better 5, weapons upgrade and advanced weapon upgrade at 5, cap and fitting skills, bs atleast at 4 and the navigation skills help too. After that its an easy lvl up to a golem skill wise. i might have forgotten some skills in my list.


Thank you very much for these 2 fits, I will aim for something like that and try and optimise it for my skill level, my Weapons Upgrade skill is at 5 and Advance is at 3 atm, I will lift that a little later on, thank you!

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Agreed. The Drake will probably last a while, and then by all means a standard Raven is in order to get the hang of L4s. I'd recommend a dirt-cheap sniping Raven - a ganky fit with MJD and AB - to enable ranged attack w/ cruises from around 130km out. Probably less fun than just being in the middle of a close-range shitstorm. But close-range shittstorms tend to run up expenses. Blink


I am training for a Drake atm (I was waiting for HML to level, and trying to focus on Frigates at the moment, and to that last bit I say, why can't I snipe and cause a **** storm for the enemy from afar? :P haha! thank you for you advice.

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you need to understand, that you'll need at least 1 year of intensive skill phase before doing lvl 4 with a golem, because you cannot go in lvl 4 with a t1 fit, whatever the ship.
you shouldn't care about a long term goal.
you should evolved relative to your in game experience.

and btw, how are u going to afford this golem?


I understand this, around 120 days I calculated till I can fly it at sub optimal, 160 days to get it to Mastery 3, which is what I am aiming at before I take it for a spin, and I know that, I am still running Lvl 1's so I will learn what fits and stuff works best eventually, and I already own it, I am good with numbers and spent the first few days in game manipulating Perimiter, Unpas, and Uitra markets, made a hefty profit along with some contracts through Null, got me a Leopard (awesome little courier ship), and than you for you tips

"Hello,
I have the following to add-

-my golem is sitting at 1.5billion isk, and thats without alot of bling. Since that kind of ship might attract some gank interest, be sure you have enough isk on hand to replace your ship if content creation should happen to you.

- other skills to consider- train up the skills for a target painter. with hull bonus and skills, I have a 50% increase to target sig radius.
I don't have hard numbers or graphs to show you, but the one painter i equip seems to really help with dps application.

- consider the use of faction missiles as well as t2 missiles. I believe they are worth the cost, as they significantly decrease mission completion times.

Have fun on your path thru Eve."

Everything I fly is fully insured and I can sell a few blueprints to make back the money, but like I said before, I am not flying it till I can replace it easily without a sweat, and better yet not loose it at all, and I will up my Target Painting from 3 to 4 for the meantime, and yes, I have been using Caldari Navy Scourages, and they are working very well, unfortunately the most DSP I can get from my Kestrel is just shy of 90 and my Destroyer is at 180 I thin, and thank you for your advice!

"Totally with you on the Caldari role-play aspect. I enjoy their lore and history as well."

Apologies but I can't fit you full reply :( But yes, I love the Caldari backstory, and the reason for my Golem choice is cause it suits my play style from other games, Im normal rear guard or defender, with the biggest guns and armour, and I have a Raven and CNR, but they will be my normal ships, my Golem will be my main ship, when I wanna have fun, in a safe (as safe as EVE gets) to fly around and do some missions, but Raven and CNR for PVP or when there are lots of Gankers and stuff. thank you for your advice and tips

Thank you all for taking the time to reply to me and help me
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