Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Moving links on grids means that you keep links, except now links are only used by blobs of 30+ people who can easily afford to defend their links, way to kill the functionality of links for a 3 man squad.

Terrible terrible idea with 0 thought put into it.

My only addition to this is IF on-grid boosting is ever enforced for warfare links, it must selfsame be equally applied to carebear mining links.

Today for example an Orca can sit safely behind POS shield and provide mining link boosts not only off-grid but in complete safety behind POS shield....this is not justice, this is blatant carebear love & pansification. I reject the tongue-bathing carebears are already getting compared to warfare links, that do not extend today beyond POS shield in contrast...

Don't do it CCP, don't force warfare links on-grid and still allow the carebears to have off-grid or behind-pos-shield mining links. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

That is all.

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Since Off grid links are sooooo difficult to "remove", can we please get a deployable that disables all warfare links in a system?

Make it a warpable beacon blatantly apparent on everyone's overview!!!
Keep it low HP, so a single cruiser can kill it in a minute or two.
Make engaging it give you a suspect flag, so it can be defended without sec status repercussions.
Allow it to be deployed in Highsec, especially in incursion systems.

On-grid links would maybe be better gameplay. Hard to be 100% sure about it given the diversity of EVE combat.

But if you think about it, it doesn't really make a big difference: it's all about the metagame.

The guy that likes a challenge uses links to engage superior ships. T1 frig vs. Assault Frig, for example. If links didn't exist, he'd fly T1 vs. Faction Frig and continue giving excellent fights.

OTOH, the guy that prefers risk-free engagements would just trade his t3 booster for a cloaky falcon alt, and continue giving not-so-good fights.

How are links the Solo'er's Friend?
Oh.... you mean they are your friend when you are out "Soloing with links". That's like Soloing with a logistics ship to rep you up, except the logistics ship is more vulnerable. I don't understand how anyone can utter such a ridiculous statement?

Links are extremely out of balance with the rest of EvE. I can use a full Snake implant set to get a 25% boost to my ships speed or a Crystal set to get 55% more tanking, but only one of those. In contrast, a with a single link ship I can get 30% more speed, 80% more rep ability, 30% more tackle range, and more... oh, and I can share that with all my fleet mates too.

There is nothing solo or small gang friendly about links, as such a statement is completely False and unfounded. What you should have said, is that links are friend of ANY PILOT that enjoys their benefits, because they are crazy powerful and improve your ships abilities to herculean levels that allow you to pull off amazing feats.

you're completely false and unfounded.

I remember idea floating around some time ago about fleet boosts being transformed from off-grid source of magic into bubbles that command ships or other links capable ship would deploy on grid and every fleet member in range of such bubble(s) would receive respective bonus.

Idea died quickly because some dev explained to us that there would be huge technical problem for server to keep up with all ships moving in and out of bubbles and change their stats accordingly.

Somebody tried to argue that boosting bubbles would be just like warp bubbles but that dev said warp bubbles are coming to effect only when you try to warp out so there is a distinct moment when server get "engage warp engine" and it checks if ship is in range of warp bubble. With fleet boosts that checking would have to be done continuously and at this moment they don't feel competent to solve this problem without basically breaking everything.

Before somebody will ask for link I have no idea where and when it was discussed nor I have energy to search for it :)

I didn't know 5 people was a blob, because a fleet of 3 mallers and 2 augorors can kick some serious ass assuming they dont get hit with a lot of ewar and/or they're all idiots.

Throw in a prophecy that can tank even harder than the mallers and you have a potential brick of a tank that uses hardly any cap cause it's buffer tanked, uses drones, and could utilize projectiles and missiles in the highs.

And many seem to forget this but all the combat BCs (as opposed to the attack BCs that use large guns) can fit gang links. The links have no bonuses but they can be fit.


And btw the reason why a gang links is so much more OP than deadspace mods is because it's a power multiplier no matter what you fit. T1, T2, Faction, Deadspace, Officer, they all get a gain from gang links and all the ships supported by the gang link get buffed, not just one ship that has it fitted.

Now tanking bonuses, I cant say much for because a ship might have used slaves or have deadspace mods fitted instead of going implant-less with T2s and the guy with slaves and shiny fit would prob have more EHP than a T2 fit with gang links...

But Skirmish links on the other hand are VERY unique in how they work. Besides these links there's no point range extension modules or sig radius reduction modules or afterburner/MWD boosting modules (overdrive doesnt count, it affects the ship not the module).

So really it's just skirmish links that are OP, hah

Deadspace modules are less powerful than links. Furthermore, they only effect ONE SHIP. Furthermore, they are in more danger than your off grid link alt that needs to be probed down to be destroyed.

And we aren't discussing some maybe-links-are-little-too-potent situation here. There is no toeing some arbitrary line whose exact position leaves room for discussion. The numbers are BLATANTLY clear: Leaks are really, really ******* powerful compared to any other bonus in this game. This is because they not only provide your ship with significant boosts, but they benefit EVERY SHIP IN YOUR FLEET to them.

Links are more powerful than Pirate Implants sets and Deadspace modules.
They are exposed to less danger than Pirate implant sets and Deadspace modules.
Links are more cost effective than Deadspace modules and Pirate implant sets.

A logi is not a "blob" only tool. Have you ever watched or participated in an AT event? Logistics bring a very tactical component to the fight, just like bringing an EWAR ships does too. You can bring them on 3 man or 4 man gangs (depending on the composition) without it being a blob too. Granted, the result is you often bias the opponents that will engage you. With OGB's, quite often opponents will even overlook the power your not-blatantly-apparent-fleet-mate is bringing to the field.

I understand why you like them, and want to keep them. There is a reason I trained 6 months to utilize them, and I too thoroughly enjoy the feats they enable. However, that doesn't mean they are good for the game. That doesn't mean they aren't overpowered. To any rational onlooker, they are clearly out of balance, and should be dramatically altered.

Hey you know what else most people don't have access to? deadspace mods, boy are they OP, better nerf them too. Oh what's that, you can lose them? You can lose links too, probe them down. What's that? Links are TOO powerful compared to deadspace mods and such? Where are you arbitrarily drawing this power line.

Logi IS a blob only tool, I fly with around three people, and using logi would be absolutely stupid for us to do, and if you can't figure out why you really have no place in these discussions.[/quote]




I'd say they're in less danger considering they're on a well-tanked ship, as opposed to the paper thin boosting ship. Not to mention how well protected my implants are, being behind a well-tanked ship AND being capable of instantly warping away.

Really all you have to do is probe down the link ship and it is dead, is it easier said than done? Yes, but so is reducing my combat ship's health to 0.

No I don't watch the AT crap because I'm not fond of arena style PvP or I'd be playing WoW. AT is not indicative of anything relevant in the world of EVE PvP.



N+1 gameplay is what we're trying to avoid here, keeping links off grid helps avoid this. It causes other issues, but bringing them on-grid creates more problems than it solves. Remove links completely before putting them on-grid.