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Clones and your crews
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Axle Turinna
Terror From Beyond
#1 - 2014-05-21 15:40:40 UTC
So, with the cloning technology advances that will be coming with EVE: Valkyrie (long distance podless cloning, in case you haven't heard) could we have a system by which we get cloned crews for our ships? At least lorewise? Alternatively, a corporation or alliance could recruit a pool of crew members for their ships. Since they wouldn't die forever when their ship gets blown up, you could train a crew to give you a bonus to your capabilities for them being more competent (and not really worried about dying). Thoughts?
Damen Apol
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-05-21 15:45:07 UTC
Sounds like more SP which will give an edge to older players.

Not terribly in favor.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#3 - 2014-05-21 15:45:10 UTC
Axle Turinna wrote:
So, with the cloning technology advances that will be coming with EVE: Valkyrie (long distance podless cloning, in case you haven't heard) could we have a system by which we get cloned crews for our ships? At least lorewise? Alternatively, a corporation or alliance could recruit a pool of crew members for their ships. Since they wouldn't die forever when their ship gets blown up, you could train a crew to give you a bonus to your capabilities for them being more competent (and not really worried about dying). Thoughts?



no. Also due to lore, becoming immoral is expensive and rare. The crew all jump into escape pods before boom. They don't need or use cloning tech, only we do.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#4 - 2014-05-21 15:45:57 UTC
and the idea of crews giving bonus' to ships is an old one. with teams coming, it might happen but not atm

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#5 - 2014-05-21 15:46:19 UTC
But that would mean that once your crew gets to max lvl or whatever it stays there forever..
Having to retrain them everytime your ship goes pop sounds way more interesting.

Also no to this idea overall.
Mandy Bonebright
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-05-21 17:07:20 UTC
Speaking of clones... How is it we wear all these fancy clothes, but when we die and become a corpse in space we are naked? Must have been one hell of an explosion to burn my clothes and hair off, but not leave a mark on my skin. Isn't space amazing.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#7 - 2014-05-21 17:13:20 UTC
Mandy Bonebright wrote:
Speaking of clones... How is it we wear all these fancy clothes, but when we die and become a corpse in space we are naked? Must have been one hell of an explosion to burn my clothes and hair off, but not leave a mark on my skin. Isn't space amazing.

You only wear the fancy clothes outside your capsule.

Inside the capsule, you have no need for them.
Solhild
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-05-21 19:31:32 UTC
Axle Turinna wrote:
So, with the cloning technology advances that will be coming with EVE: Valkyrie (long distance podless cloning, in case you haven't heard) could we have a system by which we get cloned crews for our ships? At least lorewise? Alternatively, a corporation or alliance could recruit a pool of crew members for their ships. Since they wouldn't die forever when their ship gets blown up, you could train a crew to give you a bonus to your capabilities for them being more competent (and not really worried about dying). Thoughts?


I like the idea but this needs to be limited to something like overheating modules and should not give a 'new' bonus. Perhaps the existing skill of nanite operation could be given a new description to infer that the competence of the crew is increased with the skill. Crew better at maintaining/fixing the ship.
Elite Mech/Engineering/Cap/Nanite skills mean that veteran immortal crew are happy to fly with you?
Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#9 - 2014-05-21 19:39:01 UTC
Not only NO, but hell NO, I think Im going to vomit, and shouldnt this be in F&I....
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#10 - 2014-05-21 19:51:04 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Axle Turinna wrote:
So, with the cloning technology advances that will be coming with EVE: Valkyrie (long distance podless cloning, in case you haven't heard) could we have a system by which we get cloned crews for our ships? At least lorewise? Alternatively, a corporation or alliance could recruit a pool of crew members for their ships. Since they wouldn't die forever when their ship gets blown up, you could train a crew to give you a bonus to your capabilities for them being more competent (and not really worried about dying). Thoughts?



no. Also due to lore, becoming immoral is expensive and rare. The crew all jump into escape pods before boom. They don't need or use cloning tech, only we do.



That is why capsuleers work as miners lol!
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2014-05-21 21:43:39 UTC
Oh look.. its this thread again.




Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#12 - 2014-05-21 22:06:09 UTC
Mandy Bonebright wrote:
Speaking of clones... How is it we wear all these fancy clothes, but when we die and become a corpse in space we are naked? Must have been one hell of an explosion to burn my clothes and hair off, but not leave a mark on my skin. Isn't space amazing.


Haven't you seen all of those corpses floating around in their underwear. The old naked corpses were better though.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-05-21 22:12:42 UTC
Damen Apol wrote:
Sounds like more SP which will give an edge to older players.

Not terribly in favor.

See Malcanis's Law.

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#14 - 2014-05-21 22:13:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Little Dragon Khamez
Axle Turinna wrote:
So, with the cloning technology advances that will be coming with EVE: Valkyrie (long distance podless cloning, in case you haven't heard) could we have a system by which we get cloned crews for our ships? At least lorewise? Alternatively, a corporation or alliance could recruit a pool of crew members for their ships. Since they wouldn't die forever when their ship gets blown up, you could train a crew to give you a bonus to your capabilities for them being more competent (and not really worried about dying). Thoughts?


Human life is incredibly cheap in new eden, a handful of isk is worth more than some planetary economies, plus there's no shortage of people to replace the old crew, though why anyone signs on as a member of a capsuleer's crew is beyond me given the short life span of our ships and the incredibly short term insurances we have.

I did formulate an idea that ships crews neural patterns were included in the blue print and their clones were made out of basic free biomass available in stations (clone grade alpha or less) but this isn't in the lore, just an idea I can work with. You build the ship and build the crew, clone copies of the original designers prototype crew perhaps.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#15 - 2014-05-22 03:33:20 UTC
I wouldn't mind a stat tallying the amount of capsuleer crew killed/lost over my career (calculated by killmails/lossmails + average crew count loss).

I wouldn't mind seeing more in the way of lifepods and escaping crew from a fresh wreck.
Vivec Septim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-05-22 04:54:46 UTC
Lets revive this idea. :) Further customization. :D

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-05-22 05:53:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
OP, I would think that one way to implement this is by assigning a "veteran" status to a ship that has survived combat. The crew becomes more experienced which translates to a small bonus to certain attributes of the ship. This would disappear if the ship is repackaged (like any rig does).

Considering this could be abused with alts, I'm not so sure..

There is something very classic sci-fi-ish about the prickly veteran in the old beat up ship slightly outperforming the shiny new equivalents.

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Edmond Lewis
Of Tears and ISK
#18 - 2014-05-22 06:01:14 UTC
Next youll be wanting me to offer benefits like medical, and death benefits

I feel my current system is fair
Loss of a right arm: 600 pieces of eight
Left arm: 500
Right leg: 500
Left leg: 400
Eye: 100
Finger: 100

and if you die, I send a nicely worded letter to your next of kin
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#19 - 2014-05-22 12:27:58 UTC
Axle Turinna wrote:
So, with the cloning technology advances that will be coming with EVE: Valkyrie (long distance podless cloning, in case you haven't heard) could we have a system by which we get cloned crews for our ships? At least lorewise? Alternatively, a corporation or alliance could recruit a pool of crew members for their ships. Since they wouldn't die forever when their ship gets blown up, you could train a crew to give you a bonus to your capabilities for them being more competent (and not really worried about dying). Thoughts?

Why bother?
If you grant ordinary people access to immortality they'll want a similar share of the cut.
You're never going to get huge results from a hyper-trained crew as every operation is going to be limited by the slowest team member and mostly you can get the same results by employing someone shouty to "motivate" them.
Life, for your crew at least, is cheap; why mess with such a winning formula?

Of course that's not what I tell my crews; as far as they're concerned they're all valued members of the team and their contributions are noted, appreciated and will be rewarded on discharge...
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#20 - 2014-05-22 15:02:24 UTC
Mandy Bonebright wrote:
Speaking of clones... How is it we wear all these fancy clothes, but when we die and become a corpse in space we are naked? Must have been one hell of an explosion to burn my clothes and hair off, but not leave a mark on my skin. Isn't space amazing.

But what's really cool is that, whatever station you end up being cloned in, you have your full wardrobe available right there! Your monocle, your precision boots, your Quafe t-shirt, and your whatever field jacket. I guess when you buy something from the NEX store, you're actually buying unlimited copies of the swag, ready for you at in any station in the cluster! Smile
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