EVE General Discussion

…which has to do with experience and/or smarts (or at least ability to learn). None of it is in the mechanics (or about age, strictly speaking), which is the thing the OP seems to want to have on his side.

funny thing you bring this up... CCP is nerfing the older players to the point of new players not needing to catch up to the older players. part of this is completely removing entire skill branches (the learning skills specifically) while removing other valid skills (like in the social skill branch) and then giving newer players ships that take vastly less time to train for are on par with the older players' ships that took 1 year+ to train. if you had read my posts and are capable of adding 1 and 1 to get 2 you'd see I have already brought up your subject in different ways.

Since EVE is supposed to be time based, not action based, one would only hope those who have spent longer times in EVE would naturally be more powerful/effective than those who have spent a year in EVE. I mean... why spend years playing EVE if it doesn't give you an advantage when the mechanics that get you skills were made to give older players an advantage?

again, I've already stated that I've unsubbed all my accounts (7). I don't see me coming back since EVE caters to the instant gratification mentality.

oh, btw, the instant gratification mentality is the WoW mentality... effectively proving that EVE is WoWifying. if you refuse to acknowledge this then congratulations, you don't have a sense of accomplishment in the things you set out to do 1 or more years in advance... wait... you probably are then incapable of doing that in RL since you can't do it in a game. n/m

First of all, not really, no.
Secondly, even if they were, so what?

The removal of learning skills improved the game for everyone, in particular for older players who got stuff for free and who could now complement their old characters with special-purpose alts far better than before. The social skills were not removed — they were consolidated, which much the same effect and cost as before, but without the granularity that old players could choose to have (so again, those older players got stuff for free).
Says who?

Learning skills were basically a pointless prerequisite. CCP removed them because it became standard practice to simply waste the first month of a character's training developing learning skills. They were merely an annoyance when I started the game and I was glad to see them go.

The social skills were related to the needlessly convoluted mission system, and I think CCP did a good job cleaning that up (though The Mittani gave me a good reason to not wholly like the Q20 mission buff)

As for the "easy ships" bit, you seem to be complaining solely about T3s. I agree that CCP needs to buff command ships to make them viable again, but if one class of ship being made less useful is a serious problem to you, I'm pretty sure there won't be any pleasing you any way.


Says who? Eve is all ABOUT action. Skills take time, but EVERYTHING ELSE takes action. The entire Eve universe is driven by the actions of the players. Otherwise it's just "skill training completed" and whoever has the most SP wins. And congratulations, if SP count is your win condition, you've got me beat!


They are. it's impossible to achieve perfect skills for anything above a frigate in a year. Add months to that in order to be competitive in a battleship. And that's just comparing skill effects, it doesn't take into account the fact that an older player should have deeper pockets and more experience.

Do you seriously want to have EVERY advantage over me, just because I subscribed after you?



Because it's FUN?



Aaaaand we're back to self-important douchebag mode.

Wow - your smart!

Can you send me your CV? I want to be smart too!

(I'm a kickbox-ninja-assassin in rl - but not very samrt)

If a normal eve player took a bet to try and post the most "bittervet-esque" he possibly could, it wouldn't be NEAR as bittervet-ish as OP. Congratulations. Literally whining about how there aren't as many unstoppable monopolies, and you can't act like Dr. Braun in Vault 112. I commend you.

I did have fun for the first 4 and a half years of EVE. I struggled to get the control that I did, and it was very challenging. it took me 2 and a half years to get that effective control, and I maintained it effectively for 2 years after getting it. I am not complaining that I do not have it, I am complaining that CCP took the ability to have said control out of the game, and then in the years since has constantly nerfed older players so they don't have the advantage they once had.

as to another's comment about the isk value of tengus vs command ships... I am aware of the price difference. are you aware that there are spoiled rich kids that go to mommy and daddy for money, and then don't have to put forth any effort for said money, spend said money on PLEX's, and then just regularly buy whatever they want because they have a way to legally buy ISK? those kids have no sense of accomplishment. although that is one extreme of what I voice to be a problem, apparently the world has changed too much that I am antiquated with my standards and ethics of working hard, with a strong ethic, and getting rewarded for it. by the way, you're not the only one who plays this game with a PhD. no, I do not have one... I only have a master's degree, but I know of a few with PhD's who play the game, well, used to play the game would be more accurate for about 75% of them.

Apollo, you claim to hold a PhD, and one would think you have a sense of accomplishment... but I don't see you showing that you take hard efforts serious.

Says who?

You keep making these kind of dreamed-up statements about what EVE is, was, or will be. Here's some harsh reality for you: your dream never existed.
…how about you look at what skills are actually needed? In essence, all you're doing is exchanging one rank-6 skill for another. Pretty much everything else needs to be the same. Your complaint is based on ignorance. One would have thought that an older player would know better…
Wait, so what's the problem again? That new players can take control? That they can't? That they shouldn't?

Why should older players have any advantage whatsoever?

Not really, no. My current stance is in line with my stance on other topics. You're just confused about what that stance is…
That's your problem, not mine. After all, that just shows you can't think of any way to counter the claims or to explain yourself, neither of which does you any good and only makes you sink deeper into QQ territory.
Such as? The points you've made have pretty much all been based on your unfounded and unproven (and even contradictory) assumptions about the game design and on rather erroneous statements about how the game actually works. What I've done is question these assumptions and asked you to explain them, which you've not been able to do, and to explain why your assertions are not true.

You leaving is not an exodus, even with 7 accounts.

Most of the old bittervets I know (including myself) are decidedly less bitter as we play around on Sisi.