EVE General Discussion

I dont know, i respect that older players should have some kind of advantage especially active older players.

and in some ways they do, the time advantage in skilling is a huge advantage and allows for older players to be a bit more versatile in their play styles.

those lucky enough or connected enough to have purchased or receive the tech 2 bpo's, definitely have an advantage over the newer player base.

it could also be argued that those who actually play eve for realz (meaning meta) are quite a bit more powerful than their newer counterparts. those who maintained their relations in and out of game usually have more options at their disposal when dealing with in game problems.

i would argue that the older player base in eve who is are active, and really plays eve, are actually quite powerful and probably outstrip most newer players capabilities with in game mechanics or meta .

With eve this power balance is probably the most pronounced in any mmo and rightfully so because eve is a mmo that revolves around player actions . with those actions a history evolves, and those who know history and use that history are at an advantage as to those who do not.

with all that being said .


the older anti social players or non meta players are quite possibly becoming equalized to newer players while the older player may maintain their versatility the variety offered to newer players may help in creating a equilibrium between newer and older player vs player.

this is not necessarily a bad thing as it keeps the game fresh and with more variety comes more things that players can do in game both new and old.

trust me when I say right now I envy you. games like this should have no effective 'win' ... which was another thing I was kinda trying to inadvertently point out. it's unfortunate, really, since I wasn't trying to 'win' in any way... just play the game how I wanted to. when the original method of how I desired to play was taken away, I found others... and have effectively exhausted every way to maintain superiority as they were routinely nerfed to the point of having effectively no superiority. I also play Warhammer: 40,000, and those of you who know about the game are aware of the fact that it's an incredibly expensive game to master due to needing to buy thousands and thousands of (insert westernized monetary value here) to buy enough models to be able to combat any style of offense... not even taking into effect the fact that Apocalypse games need a minimum of 3K points for the smaller apoc games. I have over 15K points of Eldar (useless outside of apoc games, but I play a lot of apoc games), approx 12.5K of CSM, 10K points CD, 25K points nids (only because I needed them for a 3-way apoc game... don't ask) and approx inbetween 4 to 7 K points of the other 'main' minus SM (no, I don't have any of the SM varients except Salamanders), I have approx 3.5 K old model SoB specific inquisition and approx 2K points new models with an additional 1.5K points of other 'old' and 3K 'new' inquisition units, and I am kinda ashamed to admit I have an army of Jokaero Weaponsmiths, Vindicare assassins, and sanctioned psykers.... only for apoc games... and other things.... yeah, I need to start something new, and while starting it 'new' not going full in with everything all from the start.

maybe I should start playing something like D&D, or D20 Modern, or Vampire, or something.... I know a lot of incredibly brilliant and intelligent people who have played those games for years and years and years and still don't have even a quarter of everything memorized... although I don't know everything about EVE, or Warhammer, or MTG etc I can effectively say I do know 'almost' everything to an extent ... but it gets old when you're one of the incredibly few on your level. a new challenge will be nice... working from the very bottom and then taking the effort to go to the top... although, in role playing games you really can't effectively do that... and there arent really many new RTS's that are actually difficult.... I mean... SC II's hardest mode was like the original C&C's difficulty level... of which there was only 1. a lot of the older RTS's and ... games in general had 'hard' modes that were actually hard... we don't get those anymore these days...

and it's not a matter of 'EVE'olving, I did that, and indeed I still am on top in almost every aspect of the game... but I have nothing new to do. I want something new. going to a different game is probably the most logical, and everyone that has been constructive has mentioned that it is probably the best option. I am starting to agree with them.

My God man, just quit already! This is a pity party of epic proportions! It's like a speech I would expect to hear from someone who just lost their wife and is standing on the edge of a building! Sheesh I love Eve as much as the next guy but by God it's a damn game at the end of the day.

The melodrama in your poorly punctuated posts is tiresome at best and downright pathetic at worst. Take a break, a long one at that. If you come back then hopefully it's refreshed and ready to have some fun. If not then it appears right now as though we win. If your success is as true as you claim the time you free up not spinning your shuttle in Jita will be well spent outside of New Eden.

Seriously friend. Step away from the computer.

Merry Christmas if we don't speak again, and for your well being, I hope we don't.

yeah, just finished unsubscribing all my accounts. it'll take a while for some of the subscriptions to run out though... as I buy them in yearly increments. oh well... at least I can still keep tabs on some stuff while on my 'break'.

It sounds like EVE has become more competitive and therefore harder for older players to easily dominate. You call that becoming 'idiot friendly'? I call it the reverse.

You don't sound like someone with over 7 years of EVE experience. More like 1 year of experience 7 times over.

Nothing stays the same. Players must learn and adapt. Do so.

I am an old toon. been playing since 04 and dont really know what to say to this post!

I have 3 accounts but that is BY CHOICE. to say you need multiple accounts to "win" at this game isnt true. You can make billions running incursions or making T2 stuff. You only need 1 account for that. If you want PvP then again you can sit in null and kill rats and run plex's. Again if you have friends in this game then it works! FW you can make 120mil an hour doing missions, hell i know someone who just uses 1 toon to sit in jita and he makes enough in 1 day to fund 2 accounts via plex's

Eve is not a solo friendly game though. It puts people together to for corps, to join onto Vent TS etc to talk and have a laugh and get stuff done. As for nerfing the game. Are you telling me life was better when you could activate the MWD with AB? when a nano phoon you could go over 7KM/s? when you could fit oversized weapons on frigs? what about lag fest when there were cans on teh other side of the gate which ment as soon as you loaded grid.. you were back in a station as you lagged out. Want me to carry on?

Im not ritch by any standard in this game. I have ennough to keep me in PvP ships and to keep my wallet ticking over. I am sure there are alot younger players who have alot more iskies, but i have made friends in this game which have bled out into RL. Thats what Eve is about.

PS can i haz your stuff?

Well, in all of my two weeks of playing this game, I've never seen so many Tears

YES! entirely my point! I joined the game to be able to monopolize as many aspects of the game as I could. it was very very very difficult to do so. it took me a few years to do it. I had it effectively for 2 years after I obtained it too. I did adapt and took advantage of each system they replaced my previous monopoly with only to have less and less effective monopolies. when they came up with the invention method of getting t2 (for example) you then gave everyone the capability to effectively have the option to make t2 ships. I think this was a really bad idea for a few reasons. the number 1 reason being that the people who do the inventions and buy the moon goo etc that make the ships in high sec are ok with only making 2 to 5 mil isk off each ship, no matter the cost that they put into it (supprisingly if you look at market prices, when use use -1 -1 modifiers through invention, calculate the costs to get the bpc with skills at 5, the lack of frequency of the success, the cost of the datacores, decryptors, POS fuels and/or station lab costs, and then the crap to actually make the ship itself, these people who are now drunk with the ability to make these t2 items are perfectly ok with making such a minimal amount of isk it's a wonder that they even do it! 2 to 5 mil isk is the typical markup, with things like mauraders getting inbetween 10 to 25 mil isk profit from this process in various markets all over EVE, not just in high sec, nor low sec, nor 0.0.... but effectively everywhere. This ability takes away the effectiveness of having the monopoly since the people I claim to be 'idiots' accept marginal income on high priced high risk investments. it's like this all over EVE except for the super cap industry, which due to CCP's constant nerfing they're not really that sought out anymore.

I'm not complaining about making a lack of isk. I really don't care, and haven't for years. I just recently bought a few people some nightmares and machariels just for the hell of it because they wanted them, as well as fitted them, while asking for nothing in return. They are unaware that I have plans to get them ganked, which is something I'm going to laugh at for a while to come. it's not about making isk, or keeping in power, or whatever.... it's a matter of fact that there is no way to truly monopolize any aspect of the game anymore. My chosen style of game play is to monopolize things. I've done it with pretty much every game I've ever played from online based RTS's to Risk 2210 to War: Age of Imperialism, to MTG, to Warhammer 40K, to the EVE CCG (yes, some of us still have them and play them on a regular basis, and you can even find them for sale on amazon and a few other places), to literally every aspect of anything I do. Hell, even in my contracts with the US DoD I monopolize the effective potential for advanced products because I have a few assemblers and compilers that I made that are vastly more effective than anything else out on the market, allowing me to be a crapload more effective, flexible, quicker, and efficient than some entire teams of people. I also have more than just that which allows me to finish my work quicker while staying solely alone, but I won't get into that here.

My chosen style of anything is to monopolize everything I can, and effectively control as much as I can through that alone. it isn't possible to do that in this game anymore because of the withdrawal of mechanics and nerfs of other things while not getting more stuff to replace them with. CCP has effectively made noobs on the same level as the older players who should be 'elite', while also making it easy enough that idiots can do it too. it is the idiots that ruin the game by accepting those 2 to 5 mil profits off of hundreds of millions of isk invested.... and then complain when they get blown up by anyone. no wonder they have such trouble doing things... they're deliberately accepting minimal profits for high risk. the older players would never do that unless they just wanted to screw around with various market things to make markets crash or go up. what's sad is that the markets have kept crashing due to the idiot friendly nature of EVE, and idiots accepting minimal payoffs while investing hundreds of millions of isk. That does not sound like they play as a team, nor work as corps, nor support each other as alliances, nor assist in the 'greater good' of coalitions... it sounds like they're only out for themselves and don't care about anyone else at all. unprecedented amounts of industrial based players have quit EVE because of a lack of refusal to acknowledge they could do things differently to not get blown up with the recent invasion of Goons in high sec gallante space. On several forum posts I gave valid, logical, sound advice, and quite a bit of it too, and the 'best' response I got from all of it was 'so how do you propose CCP makes it harder to gank around the hubs', which is by far the most idiotic thing I've ever read about that topic. I believe my most posted point of advice was to get away from the hubs since over 90 whatever percent of all suicide ganks are done around hubs. idiots... I tell you.

I am an eve player from early beta, I took some breaks but always returned because of the promise the eve universe has. I think essentially you are burned out. Somebody mentioned having 7 accounts would do that faster, I agree. Bitter vets are all over, but then again, I see bitter vets returning lately. My solution is try to do something to have fun, not find a second job.

I do know quite a few players who build an empire on their trading/mining/production business. Some of those guys own BPO of tech II stuff that where won with lotteries. And those things come as close as having a monopoly as anyone would have.

Nobody is supposed to have monopolies on stuff, one man alone can't and shouldn't meet the demands of 360.000 payed accounts.

It's not about winning. It's about having a challenging playing field. Of course there will be a time when areas are "emptied out"
of challenges and goals.

Then you CCP ask for new content. Or move on.

OP has simply transcended EVE.