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I'm trying to think of anything that this brings in the way of improved game-play that compensates for the loss of QoL for those who do a lot of scanning, and I'm coming up blank, except perhaps for weaker combat scanning by cloaked hunters, and that's something that could be arranged without affecting anything else.

What compelling game-play does this bring? Everyone will just decide, in advance, whether they will be scanning cloaked (w-space, some n-space skulking, etc.) or uncloaked (k-space bears, etc.), and that will be it. No real choice being made.

This 'balance between low and mid slots' thing - what balance? For cov-ops and T1 scanners it's irrelevant - they have no real tank anyway, and lows are squeezed by the need for fitting mods (to allow for the scan modules) in many cases, so the stress is fairly even. For T3s I suppose there is an unbalance - the modules eat space shield-tanked ships would like, but as everyone seems to think the 'Ghu should be nerfed into oblivion, surely this is a cause for joy? Balance between low and mid slots for such stuff is a bit of a joke anyway, and these modules really aren't hurting it.

Now perhaps there's some valuable game-play benefit in making probers spend longer finding sites and wormholes, but I'm not seeing it.

Nice now i no longer need to decide what to fit on the mid slots of my covops...

Its back to a Scram and an extender :),

If CCP have found some reason why these Fittings effect the balance of combat scanning to such a degree they believe they should not exist I can understand that even though I have had no experience of it.

But for Wormhole space forcing them to be an active module does exactly that. It makes them not exist in any practical sense.

So if this is implemented then they will disappear in their entirety from wormhole space, as simple as that.

Scouting uncloaked is simply suicide.

We Wormholers may be crazy, but we are not foolish.

Are CCP aware that this is the case?

If so I accept it, they are not major items, they are just a minor quality of life improvement, nothing to get excited over.

I imagine they must have some use as an active module elsewhere where there is no threat, Possibly HIsec mission invaders?

Edit:-I was puzzling over why? and It came to me! this would fit with the LS improvements, possibly too easy to kill those seeking the new drops. That makes complete sense. A new target rich environment and a massacre if not addressed.

So May I respectfully request to restore the potential balance to those of us who use core probes to scan down really large numbers of signatures each day, to build these lost stats into improvements of the sisters core launchers and probes?

For a wormhole or two, who cares,
But Some days it really ceases to be fun after the tenth one with twenty Sigs......

Well! Since we are here and want to make scanning harder, how about we get rid of the scanning overlay I have been raging against ever since it came out?

Go join a wormhole corp for 6 months first, then decide if it's a good idea. Talk to Corbexx. Hell get in the CSM alumni channel and talk to James, Chitsa and Two Step. Here's a preview: this is a stupid way of achieving your goal. You're nerfing non combat scanning in your quest to nerf combat scanning.
Go live the reality of your game please.

This yet another stupid change that has directly happened after Fanfest, is it too much to ask that you actually respect the WH community like we do and enter into some meaningful discussion with us about our space instead of listening to a few neckbeards at a WH roundtable?

Your progression of effects your hoping to get from changing them active is flawed however.

The way the current meta works is this.



Most combat probing in w-space gets done with cloaky tackle t3s, you don't fit these mid slot mods on them because you would either have to sacrifice tank or tackle which is counter productive to what your trying to do.

The mid slots mods ALREADY carry with them a risk/reward ratio. Fit them and risk dying/losing tackle or not and risk not getting that crucial 1 scan cycle result.

Its for all these reasons why generally you only see them fit to covert ops frigates. Those passive modules are really the only reason to use a covops to scout a chain with sometimes.

Now fast forward. As an active module, people still won't fit them to their t3s..... and people will no longer fit them to their covops for wh use. Combat probing remains exactly where it is which means your goal of adjusting that failed and you have a module with arguably little to no use clogging up the game and confusing people.

The logic of you scanned just fine before them so you will live after them makes little sense.

Society existed and worked just fine before the internet or indoor plumbing, could we live without them again? Sure, but there's a reason we don't. Its because when new things are brought into being that improve things its a

Yet again a wormhole change, maybe not intended, maybe made in the best of intentions

I will either A) Cloak B) sit under my POS

this hurts, not happy jan (australian pop culture reference, google it)

adding my voice to the uproar about this, as the almost negligable reasons for this change make practically no sense

thanks

I've now tested on Sisi. Here are some basic findings.

Yesterday their cycle time was 12,000 seconds, or over 3 hours. This might actually have been a sensible, if highly inelegant, nerf aimed at placating the "AFK CLOAKERS WAAAAAH" nullbear set. You could cycle, cloak, and scan as today for 3 hours.

Today, their cycle time is 12 seconds. This means that while you can in fact cycle-cloak-scan, the time is so short as to be entirely impractical to use periodic cloaking/decloaking in any meaningful way.

Long story short - to use these you absolutely will need to be uncloaked, effectively rendering any wormhole scout using them singularly ineffective.

If they have a cycletile of 30 min even they would have a use. But if ccp mean these are too powerful then I would rather have them nerf these than other components that affect scanning