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Winter Expansion, Does it even matter?
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Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2011-11-16 22:13:44 UTC
New ships, New Modules, New Nebulas, New New New! Awesome!

But really what does this all matter if we're not even able to blow up people in highsec anymore?

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-11-16 22:21:13 UTC
Who said we couldn't?
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2011-11-16 22:22:51 UTC
Feligast wrote:
Who said we couldn't?

DecShield says you cant

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Lachesis VII
The Python Cartel.
Something Really Pretentious
#4 - 2011-11-16 22:27:40 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
New ships, New Modules, New Nebulas, New New New! Awesome!

But really what does this all matter if we're not even able to blow up people in highsec anymore?


Really? I don't see anything that's preventing you from hitting the F1 key in highsec while targeting another player. You just won't get your insurance payout anymore. Big deal. If you're serious about suicide ganking, do what we do, get BPOs for the ships and modules used and research them to minimize your costs.

It also helps if your goal when suicide ganking is psychological gain rather than financial gain. We gank because carebear tears are the most valuable item in all of EVE, and we have ISK to burn to extract them.

Additionally, the new Tier 3 battlecruisers are *perfect* suicide ganking ships.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2011-11-16 22:29:53 UTC
Lachesis VII wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
New ships, New Modules, New Nebulas, New New New! Awesome!

But really what does this all matter if we're not even able to blow up people in highsec anymore?


Really? I don't see anything that's preventing you from hitting the F1 key in highsec while targeting another player. You just won't get your insurance payout anymore. Big deal. If you're serious about suicide ganking, do what we do, get BPOs for the ships and modules used and research them to minimize your costs.

It also helps if your goal when suicide ganking is psychological gain rather than financial gain. We gank because carebear tears are the most valuable item in all of EVE, and we have ISK to burn to extract them.

Additionally, the new Tier 3 battlecruisers are *perfect* suicide ganking ships.


How exactly do you intend to kill a highsec POS? This would take an incredible number of suicide ships, more then i suspect is even on sale in Jita

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#6 - 2011-11-16 22:37:08 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
How exactly do you intend to kill a highsec POS? This would take an incredible number of suicide ships, more then i suspect is even on sale in Jita


Wow. After doing my share of nullsec POS bashing, I cant imagine anyone actually do it for fun.
Jita Alt666
#7 - 2011-11-16 22:44:17 UTC
What is the benefit of a high sec pos unless its for research?
Palmput
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
#8 - 2011-11-16 22:47:20 UTC
It matters because most of the balances and content coming with it are, well, good.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-11-16 22:48:55 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
New ships, New Modules, New Nebulas, New New New! Awesome!

But really what does this all matter if we're not even able to blow up people in highsec anymore?


So...by blowing up people you actually meant blowing up POSes? Personally I don't think they have any business being in highsec at all. But if they are they shouldn't be invulnerable.

Also, based on the pic linked below. Would it work if a 2nd corp also wardecced the POS owner to catch it when it comes out of reinforcement?
Generals4
#10 - 2011-11-16 22:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Generals4
Terminal Insanity wrote:
New ships, New Modules, New Nebulas, New New New! Awesome!

But really what does this all matter if we're not even able to blow up people in highsec anymore?


You still can. Harder =/= Impossible. And on top of that, i don't know, go pvp against people who want to in low/null/WH's. I know it's easier to pick on the weak kid but surely you can't handle pvp'ers as well, no?

EDIT: just noticed you talked about PoS's. Well ok that's a fair and valid point. But your OP still was a pretty huge hyperbole.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2011-11-16 22:49:47 UTC
Research is a major moneymaker. You can fund accounts and pay for fuel simply by running POS's, and selling researched BPO's

You can now create an infinite number of POS's in highsec and nobody can ever blow them up

Reguardless of how boring POS bashing is, or if you think Research towers arnt valid targets. The fact remains they are 100% immune to pvp

That is not the eveonline i signed up for. When i started playing it was because of its hardcore pvp rules. Not because i could waltz around carefree

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2011-11-16 22:51:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Generals4 wrote:

You still can. Harder =/= Impossible. And on top of that, i don't know, go pvp against people who want to in low/null/WH's. I know it's easier to pick on the weak kid but surely you can't handle pvp'ers as well, no?

Wrong.

You 100% can not blow up a Highsec POS anymore. They are 100% immune to wardecs. The only way to kill a Highsec POS is to suicide gank it. Im not sure anyone has the resources and time required to suicide gank a POS Refer to the image linked above for proof that highsec pos's are 100% immune to wardecs.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Generals4
#13 - 2011-11-16 23:10:07 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Generals4 wrote:

You still can. Harder =/= Impossible. And on top of that, i don't know, go pvp against people who want to in low/null/WH's. I know it's easier to pick on the weak kid but surely you can't handle pvp'ers as well, no?

Wrong.

You 100% can not blow up a Highsec POS anymore. They are 100% immune to wardecs. The only way to kill a Highsec POS is to suicide gank it. Im not sure anyone has the resources and time required to suicide gank a POS Refer to the image linked above for proof that highsec pos's are 100% immune to wardecs.


Ye fair enough, that should be fixed, but my issue lies with the obvious lack of precision and hyperbole in the Original post, it was very misleading.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#14 - 2011-11-16 23:12:29 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:

Reguardless of how boring POS bashing is, or if you think Research towers arnt valid targets. The fact remains they are 100% immune to pvp



Ahh. I never relised PVP was short for "person versus POS" Cool
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-11-16 23:17:10 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Generals4 wrote:

You still can. Harder =/= Impossible. And on top of that, i don't know, go pvp against people who want to in low/null/WH's. I know it's easier to pick on the weak kid but surely you can't handle pvp'ers as well, no?

Wrong.

You 100% can not blow up a Highsec POS anymore. They are 100% immune to wardecs. The only way to kill a Highsec POS is to suicide gank it. Im not sure anyone has the resources and time required to suicide gank a POS Refer to the image linked above for proof that highsec pos's are 100% immune to wardecs.


Ye fair enough, that should be fixed, but my issue lies with the obvious lack of precision and hyperbole in the Original post, it was very misleading.


And you can shot POS, its been known to happen... just keep it aggresed whole time... Big smile

Or just wardec all alliances and the corp / which are somehow connected * not sure if that work tho.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2011-11-16 23:21:50 UTC
Thread is kind of getting derailed. My point was, what is the point of getting excited over the fancy new ships and images, when the game itself is degrading into something entirely different.

Its not just the Highsec War Immunity, its not just the lack of insurance for suicide gankers, its ALL of it added up. Its a constant movement towards turning eve into Hello Kitty in Space

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#17 - 2011-11-16 23:32:04 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:


You can now create an infinite number of POS's in highsec and nobody can ever blow them up


want to know how i know you are talking out your ass?


moons, *****.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#18 - 2011-11-16 23:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Infinite number of POS?

LAWL.

To win in high sec just simply have more money than them. If you dont see how to choke some over this then you dont deserve to have corporate warfare.

Either way I want one thing to happen though just to make things fair. When a pos flips ownership everything on it should reset.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-11-16 23:54:56 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
New ships, New Modules, New Nebulas, New New New! Awesome!

But really what does this all matter if we're not even able to blow up people in highsec anymore?

You can't believe that the war-dec mechanic isn't getting looked at?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
#20 - 2011-11-17 00:05:03 UTC
So just change the agression countdown after dropping the alliance to 60 hours before the wardec ends. problem solved.
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