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The New High-Sec Aggression Survey
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Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#101 - 2014-05-23 16:21:22 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
How about leaving it up to the players to discern which are the good corps, which are traps, which are war-dec pinatas, and which are just horrible places to be in?
I ddin't say change anything, I said his logic was sound.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2014-05-23 19:25:21 UTC
Could have answered that survey with three words....Burn High Sec. Twisted
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#103 - 2014-05-24 03:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Amyclas Amatin
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
How about leaving it up to the players to discern which are the good corps, which are traps, which are war-dec pinatas, and which are just horrible places to be in?
I ddin't say change anything, I said his logic was sound.


Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?

Awoxing is unique to EVE and makes it a special dark hole for all of us. It is practically impossible to build a corp with strangers without proper background checks AND out-of-game IT infrastructure and security. There are many smaller corps that can survive by just recruiting friends though.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#104 - 2014-05-24 04:17:15 UTC
You know, I seemed like Awoxing was much less of a common occurrence before they nerfed every other means of killing people in highsec into the ground.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#105 - 2014-05-24 05:00:11 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?

The point is they do know they can be killed by corpies, so don't join a player corp.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#106 - 2014-05-25 14:30:49 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?

The point is they do know they can be killed by corpies, so don't join a player corp.


I abused the humble bundle offer by rolling out a bunch of clean alts for spying and awoxing work experiencing high-sec content. I was immediately convoed by several recruiters trying to get me to join their mining corp and mission tax farms. Anyone can join corps these days it seems.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#107 - 2014-05-25 17:55:39 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
I abused the humble bundle offer by rolling out a bunch of clean alts for spying and awoxing work experiencing high-sec content. I was immediately convoed by several recruiters trying to get me to join their mining corp and mission tax farms. Anyone can join corps these days it seems.

I did the exact same thing.
Winchester Steele
#108 - 2014-05-25 18:02:32 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?

The point is they do know they can be killed by corpies, so don't join a player corp.


I abused the humble bundle offer by rolling out a bunch of clean alts for spying and awoxing work experiencing high-sec content. I was immediately convoed by several recruiters trying to get me to join their mining corp and mission tax farms. Anyone can join corps these days it seems.



Yup. 2 bucks for 3 new awox alts. Works for me.

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Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#109 - 2014-05-25 18:11:37 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?

The point is they do know they can be killed by corpies, so don't join a player corp.


I abused the humble bundle offer by rolling out a bunch of clean alts for spying and awoxing work experiencing high-sec content. I was immediately convoed by several recruiters trying to get me to join their mining corp and mission tax farms. Anyone can join corps these days it seems.

I can only really answer that with "so what?"

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#110 - 2014-05-25 18:20:57 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?

The point is they do know they can be killed by corpies, so don't join a player corp.


I abused the humble bundle offer by rolling out a bunch of clean alts for spying and awoxing work experiencing high-sec content. I was immediately convoed by several recruiters trying to get me to join their mining corp and mission tax farms. Anyone can join corps these days it seems.

I can only really answer that with "so what?"


It completely disproves your point.

Not only are people willing to hire, but there are tons more who are willing to join. As an awoxer myself, I can tell you full well that the recruitment scene does NOT suffer due to the existence of awoxing.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Winchester Steele
#111 - 2014-05-25 20:51:53 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

Perhaps the issue would be how to better educate newbies as to the brutality of the game and what they can expect. What if the tutorial warned everyone explicitly that corpies can and will shoot you in high-sec?

The point is they do know they can be killed by corpies, so don't join a player corp.


I abused the humble bundle offer by rolling out a bunch of clean alts for spying and awoxing work experiencing high-sec content. I was immediately convoed by several recruiters trying to get me to join their mining corp and mission tax farms. Anyone can join corps these days it seems.

I can only really answer that with "so what?"


It completely disproves your point.

Not only are people willing to hire, but there are tons more who are willing to join. As an awoxer myself, I can tell you full well that the recruitment scene does NOT suffer due to the existence of awoxing.



Thank Bob for low-information Eve players.

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Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#112 - 2014-05-26 13:18:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonlit Raid
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It completely disproves your point.

Not only are people willing to hire, but there are tons more who are willing to join. As an awoxer myself, I can tell you full well that the recruitment scene does NOT suffer due to the existence of awoxing.

I would explain why you're wrong, but I already did that, instead here is a graphical representation of my reaction.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#113 - 2014-05-26 13:28:23 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It completely disproves your point.

Not only are people willing to hire, but there are tons more who are willing to join. As an awoxer myself, I can tell you full well that the recruitment scene does NOT suffer due to the existence of awoxing.

I would explain why you're wrong, but I already did that, instead here is a graphical representation of my reaction.


Sorry, but your "cause I said so" doesn't really work here.

You're just making an allegation that is unsubstantiated in order to further an agenda. That is not acceptable.

"highsec aggression" does not hurt corp recruitment. I know because I do it every week or so.

You have zero evidence that players being aware that corp mates can shoot them hurts recruitment. You don't even have anecdotal evidence, you are just pulling this assertion out of thin air.

So knock off the crap.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#114 - 2014-05-26 16:20:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonlit Raid
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
"highsec aggression" does not hurt corp recruitment. I know because I do it every week or so.

You have zero evidence that players being aware that corp mates can shoot them hurts recruitment. You don't even have anecdotal evidence, you are just pulling this assertion out of thin air.


At least one person understands then.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#115 - 2014-06-05 11:56:55 UTC
Shameless bump for more responses.

Tell us how you feel. Has Kronus affected the way you suicide gank?

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"