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The New High-Sec Aggression Survey
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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2014-05-21 21:57:18 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
First, your survey is useless
...
Wasted my time


How would you rephrase some of the questions?

OP, I find your pleasant attitude refreshing.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Jack Lennox
Grove Street Families
#82 - 2014-05-22 05:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Lennox
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
First, your survey is useless as it ignores a large proportion of the player base. Next time, if there is one, make the survey applicable to everyone (i.e. including NPC corp members).

Also, as Tippia mentioned, the suicide ganking question is unanswerable for many players (me included). I have never done it, but I can't say there are no circumstances in which I might consider it. There is no option for me to say that and I can't truthfully select any of the existing options, so I can't complete the survey.

Couldn't complete all the wardec questions either, so again unable to finish the survey.

Wasted my time going through to the end before discovering that. Not helpful.


How would you rephrase some of the questions?



In regards to suicide ganking (possibly instead of the afk question), perhaps add the question "Have you ever been ganked as a result of not owning a valid mining permit?

:)

EDIT: Just finished the survey, I think you got it covered, nevermind

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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#83 - 2014-05-22 05:50:54 UTC
Since people have been asking, I've released the table of results, so viewing the comments will be much easier.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2014-05-22 10:02:46 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Tippia wrote:
The “Are you a perpetrator of suicide ganking?” is a bit of a loaded question. You really should have provided two “no” answers: “no, I don't do them”, and “no, I abhor them”. The current one slants far too heavily towards the latter.


Excellent suggestion. But I can't quite change the form now without messing up the results.


The results are already messed up because of selection bias.
Your answers are from people that read the forums so already a subset of eve and then further self selecting from people who read the title and felt the need to have their voice heard. The results of a survey with such a basic design flaw may be interesting but can not be used to provide meaningful statistics.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#85 - 2014-05-22 12:31:57 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Tippia wrote:
The “Are you a perpetrator of suicide ganking?” is a bit of a loaded question. You really should have provided two “no” answers: “no, I don't do them”, and “no, I abhor them”. The current one slants far too heavily towards the latter.


Excellent suggestion. But I can't quite change the form now without messing up the results.


The results are already messed up because of selection bias.
Your answers are from people that read the forums so already a subset of eve and then further self selecting from people who read the title and felt the need to have their voice heard. The results of a survey with such a basic design flaw may be interesting but can not be used to provide meaningful statistics.


Is there really a way to reach out to those who don't want to interact with other people in the game?

(Besides ganking them and sending the survey with the termination notice, which is already being done.)

But carebears and new players aside, I believe MOST of the wealth in the game is being produced in high-sec. 5 Freighter kills I made in high-sec yesterday were worth more than two weeks of pvp kills and losses in fountain.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#86 - 2014-05-22 12:44:33 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

Is there really a way to reach out to those who don't want to interact with other people in the game?


Sure there is, it's called Caldari Navy Antimatter.

Quote:

(Besides ganking them and sending the survey with the termination notice, which is already being done.)


Oh.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2014-05-22 13:20:39 UTC
I spend most of my time in sov null, so I answered most of the questions accordingly (don't really care an awful lot/don't really have to/don't go to highsec much)

One thing that I'm not that neutral about though is the wardec evasion. I think the ability to evade a wardec is great because at this point (after god knows how many times CCP tried to fix it) the whole thing is still stacked in favour of the agressor (I believe).

In my experience, turning around and actively doing something about your agressor is waste of time. Yours, theirs, doesn't matter. It's a waste of time and to avoid waste of time, I'll simply avoid the wardec.
Make a wardec that backfires have consequences for the agressor and yay, maybe it'll be worth hanging around to bother the next time one rolls in ^^

(Note: I speak for myself here, I know there are plenty of people associated with my alliance/coalition who don't seem to really understand the way wardecs work, or understand and endorse it much more than I do)
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#88 - 2014-05-22 16:10:43 UTC
Comedy value from the survey comments:

"High-sec aggression is used for cyberbullying. In theory it works, in practise it does not."

"Concord should impound all loot at crimescenes"

"In Corp agression needs to go to encourage more people to move out of NPC corps without worry of being instantly killed by some random person joining their corp."

"Legal griefing is still griefing."

I just wish we had names to go with these comments.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#89 - 2014-05-22 18:28:58 UTC
admiral root wrote:
"In Corp agression needs to go to encourage more people to move out of NPC corps without worry of being instantly killed by some random person joining their corp."

You can't really argue with the logic here though.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#90 - 2014-05-22 18:35:08 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
admiral root wrote:
"In Corp agression needs to go to encourage more people to move out of NPC corps without worry of being instantly killed by some random person joining their corp."

You can't really argue with the logic here though.


Yes you can. See, watch me lol.

The danger presented by everyone, (even corpmates) is one of the best things about EVE. It keeps you on your toes, makes you careful about who you let into your corp and so on. Being in the same corp with people shouldn't in any way create some magical shield, in EVE anyone can be a threat. I say this as someone who survived an attempted awoxing but a corp mate not long after starting to play EVE. I always wondered why the Navy Raven my buddy sold me had ecm drones in it and why it told me to keep them in there and train the skill to sue them.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#91 - 2014-05-22 18:37:49 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
admiral root wrote:
"In Corp agression needs to go to encourage more people to move out of NPC corps without worry of being instantly killed by some random person joining their corp."

You can't really argue with the logic here though.


Humour. Big smile

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Myxx
The Scope
#92 - 2014-05-22 18:45:31 UTC
I like potatos. Preferably mashed with butter and bacon.

Good luck on your survey. Answered it.
Sven Viko VIkolander
In space we are briefly free
#93 - 2014-05-23 00:00:29 UTC
I was going to simply say, nice survey and thanks for displaying the results visually, it is cool to see them.

However, then I saw all the comments included...

My favorites are:

"Wardec corporations do a service by destroying weak corporations that do not deserve to exist." - lol, this makes eve sound like "ant colonies online" or something

"James315 4 CSM Death to all ultra-carebears"

" I Invested a lot of money in James's vision it was the best investment i ever did."

" I'd like an option to self destruct my ship to completely destroy everything on it and prevent gankers from getting anything."

"eve is dying!!"

"dickbutt"

"FREE EROTICA1, FREE DIERON, FREE INFINITE RICE PUDDING!"

"42"

I lol'ed
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#94 - 2014-05-23 00:05:03 UTC
"42" was me.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#95 - 2014-05-23 02:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonlit Raid
Jenn aSide wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
You can't really argue with the logic here though.
Yes you can. See, watch me lol.

Not the squarest angle on the protractor are you?

If a player is worried about being blown up by corp mates they're less likely to join a player corp.

I don't see where you struggled to understand this very basic application of logic.

Quote:
I'd like an option to self destruct my ship to completely destroy everything on it and prevent gankers from getting anything.
I think SD should revert back to this function, if you know you're going to die but can hold out for the full 2 minutes why not give you the ability to deny assets to the enemy? Modern tactics is hardly against this idea, deny as much as you can to the enemy.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#96 - 2014-05-23 04:17:46 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
You can't really argue with the logic here though.
Yes you can. See, watch me lol.

Not the squarest angle on the protractor are you?

If a player is worried about being blown up by corp mates they're less likely to join a player corp.

I don't see where you struggled to understand this very basic application of logic.

Quote:
I'd like an option to self destruct my ship to completely destroy everything on it and prevent gankers from getting anything.
I think SD should revert back to this function, if you know you're going to die but can hold out for the full 2 minutes why not give you the ability to deny assets to the enemy? Modern tactics is hardly against this idea, deny as much as you can to the enemy.


How about leaving it up to the players to discern which are the good corps, which are traps, which are war-dec pinatas, and which are just horrible places to be in?

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#97 - 2014-05-23 06:32:35 UTC
I don't think these carebears know how much hard work goes into killing them. If they appreciated how much work and planning it usually takes they might understand why having a "you get nothing for your effort" button isn't a good thing.

Murdering people who run and hide from even the faintest sign of danger is not a simple task.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2014-05-23 06:49:29 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Murdering people who run and hide from even the faintest sign of danger is not a simple task.

Oh, now you're being self referential. Clever.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#99 - 2014-05-23 07:03:05 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:


Is there really a way to reach out to those who don't want to interact with other people in the game?

(Besides ganking them and sending the survey with the termination notice, which is already being done.)

But carebears and new players aside, I believe MOST of the wealth in the game is being produced in high-sec. 5 Freighter kills I made in high-sec yesterday were worth more than two weeks of pvp kills and losses in fountain.

2012-2013 figures showed that the majority of Isk produced was made in Nullsec just as an interesting note.
With WH's being the next largest source of Isk.

Lacking any FW figures for LP made I wasn't able to compare Low sec LP production to high sec (As you can at least estimate high sec LP production via extrapolation) but judging by the amount a single farmer makes and all the complaints about them low sec should be significantly out producing high sec for LP, & now Null has a finger in the LP pie also (Though probably not a huge portion yet).

PI products are WH/Null mainly, Moon Goo is all Null/Low.

This leaves Mining as the only activity likely to produce more in high. LP as a secondary activity that has a chance due to lack of figures to produce more in high.

Simply because Null/Low/WH wealth also flows through high sec via alts, trade accounts, etc doesn't mean it's being made in high. Very bad assumption to make.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#100 - 2014-05-23 15:31:36 UTC
I certainly kill more valuable stuff in high-sec compared to anywhere else in space. With the exception of titans, but those rarely die.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"