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The New High-Sec Aggression Survey
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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#41 - 2014-05-20 18:50:04 UTC
E Thatcher wrote:
If you would have followed the uni's overview settings you would have learned all you neeeded to know about high sec aggression mechanics. If they threw you out, it will take more than a survey but I applaud your eforts to at least pretend like your trying, that you weren't at fault and that it was other players and game mechanics that led to your expulsion.Thats the true EVE spirit if I ever heard it.


I was following the whole issue when it went down. Amyclas was expelled for unapologetically posting his own opinions on the EVE Online forums, which was against the rules for E-Uni bros at that time. The rules have since been changed. Also, I've never heard him complain about having been expelled, or blame "other players and game mechanics".

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Marsha Mallow
#42 - 2014-05-20 19:04:40 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
E Thatcher wrote:
If you would have followed the uni's overview settings you would have learned all you neeeded to know about high sec aggression mechanics. If they threw you out, it will take more than a survey but I applaud your eforts to at least pretend like your trying, that you weren't at fault and that it was other players and game mechanics that led to your expulsion.Thats the true EVE spirit if I ever heard it.


I was following the whole issue when it went down. Amyclas was expelled for unapologetically posting his own opinions on the EVE Online forums, which was against the rules for E-Uni bros at that time. The rules have since been changed. Also, I've never heard him complain about having been expelled, or blame "other players and game mechanics".

Funnily enough, the thread linked and the comments here actually reflect positively on him. I've no idea what he's like ingame, but if you're going to follow someone around whittering about events from years before - which is a bit petty by the way - probably best to pick those which actually make them look bad ;) (Not directed at you HB btw)

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#43 - 2014-05-20 19:38:09 UTC
You're offering potatoes but no bacon? I want my money back.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-05-20 19:44:15 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
E Thatcher wrote:
If you would have followed the uni's overview settings you would have learned all you neeeded to know about high sec aggression mechanics. If they threw you out, it will take more than a survey but I applaud your eforts to at least pretend like your trying, that you weren't at fault and that it was other players and game mechanics that led to your expulsion.Thats the true EVE spirit if I ever heard it.


It was Kelduum that led to my expulsion, nothing to do with overview settings and mechanics. But the expectations surrounding high-sec and the economy around high-sec aggression has always interested me.


You're in a better place now anyway.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#45 - 2014-05-20 20:15:41 UTC
Bit of a loaded survey, but you may collect some useful metrics from it. So done.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#46 - 2014-05-20 20:19:22 UTC
Galen Darksmith wrote:

Little confused by this. I mean, theft is basically joining a corp, then taking advantage of them to steal all their ****. AWOXing is just doing the same, but blowing them up instead. I can't really see why one is fine with you, but the other is "pathetic."

Because theft requires them to trust you in a directorship role so requires an active decision on their part and work on your part.

AWOXing is taking advantage of a legacy mechanic that should have been removed from the game because it's a weird exception to the concord rules and was implemented specifically to allow testing of fits way back when, and the dueling mechanic has rendered it obsolete.

So yea, that's why I regard AWOXing as lowest of the low and a good corp theft, while scummy, is to be appreciated as a work of villany that took some effort.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-05-20 20:43:44 UTC
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Have you ever been a victim of suicide ganking while you were afk?

This seems like a loaded question. You shouldn't assume we play afk.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-05-20 20:53:38 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Galen Darksmith wrote:

Little confused by this. I mean, theft is basically joining a corp, then taking advantage of them to steal all their ****. AWOXing is just doing the same, but blowing them up instead. I can't really see why one is fine with you, but the other is "pathetic."

Because theft requires them to trust you in a directorship role so requires an active decision on their part and work on your part.

AWOXing is taking advantage of a legacy mechanic that should have been removed from the game because it's a weird exception to the concord rules and was implemented specifically to allow testing of fits way back when, and the dueling mechanic has rendered it obsolete.

So yea, that's why I regard AWOXing as lowest of the low and a good corp theft, while scummy, is to be appreciated as a work of villany that took some effort.


Awoxing is 100% preventable by 5 minutes of effort during the recruitment process. It happens all the time and is the reason my awoxing alts have to shotgun their applications. Only lazy or dumb people get awoxed.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#49 - 2014-05-20 20:55:37 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Quote:
Have you ever been a victim of suicide ganking while you were afk?

This seems like a loaded question. You shouldn't assume we play afk.


That's why the question before it doesn't mention AFK, just whether or not you've been ganked. Seems to me he's trying to figure out how many respondants were ganked and how many of those were being un-smart.

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#50 - 2014-05-20 21:02:15 UTC
2 general categories for this:

1 - Those who care to varying degrees and enjoy it consistently
2 - Those who say they don't care, but will voice disdain if is it too inconsistent.

In the end it does not matter what people say on the degree of their caring. The reality is that a good brand and consistent story is important on many levels, If not for the integrity of the Role Play, then for the confidence of all other users in the ability of the producers to manage different aspects of the project.

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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2014-05-20 21:22:13 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Quote:
Have you ever been a victim of suicide ganking while you were afk?

This seems like a loaded question. You shouldn't assume we play afk.


That's why the question before it doesn't mention AFK, just whether or not you've been ganked. Seems to me he's trying to figure out how many respondants were ganked and how many of those were being un-smart.


I can testify that if Miniluv comes for you, you will be pinned down by several machariels, while you spam the warp button as a ball of death takes it time to roll towards you. Quite a few players initially try to negotiate a ransom, then freeze up when they see the Talos-swarm.

If marked out as a target you can be bumped several hundred kilometers off a stargate and held there for as long as it takes for the fleet to kill you while you mash every button available in a vain attempt to escape. It is quite an experience.

The New Order might love afk players, Miniluv just loves all successful EVE players.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#52 - 2014-05-20 21:43:37 UTC
Wow nice graph generation on results. Would play again.

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Winchester Steele
#53 - 2014-05-20 23:06:50 UTC
BoBoZoBo wrote:
2 general categories for this:

1 - Those who care to varying degrees and enjoy it consistently
2 - Those who say they don't care, but will voice disdain if is it too inconsistent.

In the end it does not matter what people say on the degree of their caring. The reality is that a good brand and consistent story is important on many levels, If not for the integrity of the Role Play, then for the confidence of all other users in the ability of the producers to manage different aspects of the project.



Wrong thread bro Big smile

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Marsha Mallow
#54 - 2014-05-20 23:19:16 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Quote:
Have you ever been a victim of suicide ganking while you were afk?

This seems like a loaded question. You shouldn't assume we play afk.

I thought I hadn't been suicide ganked, but then I remembered. I AFK hauled some BPCs (when you couldn't tell BPCs/BPOs apart on scan) to Jita in a frig then went to the pub. For 5 hours, forgot I was logged in. Some berk suicided a BS on me. Was a big one at the time, and worth way less than than the cargo. So I got home, did the moment of panic, giggled. Then noticed he'd podded me too. My plus 5s! Fortunately kbs didn't pull that at the time so I got away with it. Still, he didn't know he got them either.
Still not sure who won there >.>

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#55 - 2014-05-20 23:39:36 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
I don't love the wording of some of these. For example...

"Have you ever been the victim of a non-consensual war-dec? *"

I've been the recipient of such a war-dec, I've lost things in such wars (generally an offline POS while I was away from the game for a spell, **** happens), but "victim" implies an entirely different experience.

This... Recipient or even "defender in a..." would be much better choice.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2014-05-21 00:02:31 UTC
I see your point. I can just imagine all of the CFC being victims of the belligerent Goblin.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#57 - 2014-05-21 00:10:43 UTC
I submitted mine, also I suggest that next time you word it to be a tad more... neutral.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#58 - 2014-05-21 00:23:23 UTC
Congrats on taking a more analytical and less emotional approach to seeing what the community's views are on this (at least, the part of the community that inhabits the forum).

Some of the results are a little surprising to me, but in a pleasant way.
Oraac Ensor
#59 - 2014-05-21 01:17:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
First, your survey is useless as it ignores a large proportion of the player base. Next time, if there is one, make the survey applicable to everyone (i.e. including NPC corp members).

Also, as Tippia mentioned, the suicide ganking question is unanswerable for many players (me included). I have never done it, but I can't say there are no circumstances in which I might consider it. There is no option for me to say that and I can't truthfully select any of the existing options, so I can't complete the survey.

Couldn't complete all the wardec questions either, so again unable to finish the survey.

Wasted my time going through to the end before discovering that. Not helpful.
Delhaven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-05-21 01:36:40 UTC
Very biased, but interesting to fill out. Curious results.