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The STUPIDEST thing in Eve!!!! Read here!

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#21 - 2014-05-20 15:27:10 UTC
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
It's not masquerading, when its linked via click and drag it shows the basic max run bluprint copy (15 runs).

When its right clicked and showed info on from you hold or where ever it shows the actual bpc.

The BPC you bought will also say "Blueprint Copy" and "1 run" on it.


Ok. Yes, if you do the "correct" click it will show the exact information of that BPC, but if you do the "wrong" click CCP will show some USELESS inaccurate and irrelevant information to this BPC which is referring to what a, I repeat a, BPC can achieve which is a max run of 15.

It IS stupid and the people who can't see that this is confusing to anybody are probably the people advising CCP that this is ok.

Why bother trying to make the game clearer for new players as CCP have done, when they leave in confusing misinformations on BPCs that make the game dopey!??
It's not to make the game dopey, it's because the raw blueprint information is important, so yes, if you click in the way the shows the BPO information, you get exactly that.
How much did you even lose? Was this even a scam or did you just find a random contract and buy a single run BPC at the single run BPC price?

Seriously, if you can't figure out the very basics and you're going to explode this badly about such a tiny problem you should probably pack your bags.

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Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#22 - 2014-05-20 15:27:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
It's not masquerading, when its linked via click and drag it shows the basic max run bluprint copy (15 runs).

When its right clicked and showed info on from you hold or where ever it shows the actual bpc.

The BPC you bought will also say "Blueprint Copy" and "1 run" on it.


Ok. Yes, if you do the "correct" click it will show the exact information of that BPC, but if you do the "wrong" click CCP will show some USELESS inaccurate and irrelevant information to this BPC which is referring to what a, I repeat a, BPC can achieve which is a max run of 15.

It IS stupid and the people who can't see that this is confusing to anybody are probably the people advising CCP that this is ok.

Why bother trying to make the game clearer for new players as CCP have done, when they leave in confusing misinformations on BPCs that make the game dopey!??


Wrong. One leads to a hard copy of the blueprint copy of whatever ship (the hard copy being the perfect bpc, so has all the data on it). (If anyone can explain that better than me, please feel free).

The other leads to the actual BPC that the person is trying to sell.

What happened to you was you were either scammed via a trade window or you failed to read the correct information on the blueprint because you clicked on the a (hardcopy) version.

No harm done, just learn from your mistake and dont make the same mistake next time?


Edit: Lucas above me explains it better.

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

Snakebyte Jack
AcT Legion
#23 - 2014-05-20 15:27:44 UTC
lol
Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
#24 - 2014-05-20 15:29:23 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Never look at the "max run amount", it is only important when making copies. Only look at the "Licensed Runs".


Yes that is the right information. But if you see a contract and right-click and choose Show Info, the Show Info does NOT show the Licensed Runs.

Putting in this Max Runs info is deliberately confusing irrelevant info even to veteran capsuleers like myself, but I wonder how many new players CCP want to attract to Eve will also get caught out with this lack of clarity!!??

I reckon it's something they should amend with a simple patch.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#25 - 2014-05-20 15:34:03 UTC
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Never look at the "max run amount", it is only important when making copies. Only look at the "Licensed Runs".


Yes that is the right information. But if you see a contract and right-click and choose Show Info, the Show Info does NOT show the Licensed Runs.

Putting in this Max Runs info is deliberately confusing irrelevant info even to veteran capsuleers like myself, but I wonder how many new players CCP want to attract to Eve will also get caught out with this lack of clarity!!??

I reckon it's something they should amend with a simple patch.


Doesn't it tell you all the important info in the contract, or when you mouse over it?

I have bought a few BPCs in the past and Ive always known what I was getting

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#26 - 2014-05-20 15:35:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
It tells you on the contract screen how many runs it has, the material efficiency level and the product efficiency level... Or at least I thought it did???

Edit: Oh good, its not just me then...

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-05-20 15:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
With all the patches and fantastical plans for expansions and mega-changes Eve has one of the dumbest things still operating to make a capsuleer's life a confusing misery.

Take a look at this Blueprint Copy https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97960240/ExeFile%202014-05-20%2015-17-20-95.jpg

You can cleary read "Max Runs Per Blueprint Copy 15.


Yes, I can, and since I have at least a passing familiarity with English, what I can deduce from that is that the absolute max number of runs a copy of that blueprint could potentially have is 15.

Doesn't say a damn thing about how many runs a copy will actually have, however - just the potential max.

TL;DR: Learn to read.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
#28 - 2014-05-20 15:37:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Lucas Kell wrote:

It's not to make the game dopey, it's because the raw blueprint information is important, so yes, if you click in the way the shows the BPO information, you get exactly that.
How much did you even lose? Was this even a scam or did you just find a random contract and buy a single run BPC at the single run BPC price?


It was no scam. It was a single run BPC at a single-run BPC price. Obviously I clicked on the "wrong" click linking to what a bloody BPO can achieve - why the bloody hell do I wanna know what the original BPO (which is not being sold in this contract) can achieve??

I don't bloody care what the freakin' BPO can achieve!! All I wanna know is how many runs this BPC can run and YES, I made a tiny mistake in using the Show Info as a guide to this partiicular BPC, which as you said, it was not.

So again, why do CCP think this is a good system to leave like that? I believe it is unnecessary and adds a complication that many will not get fooled by, but some people will.

Make a patch that when you use the Show Info on a BPC it actually shows the bloody info on THAT BPC and not the BPO it came from.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#29 - 2014-05-20 15:39:59 UTC
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:

So again, why do CCP think this is a good system to leave like that?


Because somewhere at CCP a Dev is giggling his ass off at your impotent rage.

That's why.
Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
#30 - 2014-05-20 15:49:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Doesn't it tell you all the important info in the contract, or when you mouse over it?

I have bought a few BPCs in the past and Ive always known what I was getting


Wrong! Here is the unimportant information it shows when you mouse over

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97960240/Mouse%20Over.jpg

Here is the (tiny) error I made looking at the contract

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97960240/Show%20Info.jpg

I used Show Info and saw the Max Runs at 15 which was irrelevant useless information for that contract and was linked to the original BPO (which was NOT for sale).

What a dopey system!
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#31 - 2014-05-20 15:50:47 UTC
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
It was no scam. It was a single run BPC at a single-run BPC price. Obviously I clicked on the "wrong" click linking to what a bloody BPO can achieve - why the bloody hell do I wanna know what the original BPO (which is not being sold in this contract) can achieve??
So you lost nothing, and you are freaking out about it?

Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
I don't bloody care what the freakin' BPO can achieve!! All I wanna know is how many runs this BPC can run and YES, I made a tiny mistake in using the Show Info as a guide to this partiicular BPC, which as you said, it was not.
Yes, you don't bloody care. You. Some of us do care, which is why both sets of information are available.

Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
So again, why do CCP think this is a good system to leave like that? I believe it is unnecessary and adds a complication that many will not get fooled by, but some people will.
Do I think it's important that they leave in the ability to look at the raw blueprint information as well as the specific BPC information from a contract? Yes I most certainly do. If they didn;t, rather than just being able to grab both sets of information with 2 different methods. If they made it so we can only get the BPC info, we'd have to go elsewhere to get the BPO info.

Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
Make a patch that when you use the Show Info on a BPC it actually shows the bloody info on THAT BPC and not the BPO it came from.
Or your parents could make a patch where they add a few extra IQ points to your genepool. That way, when you are in a position to lose a meaningful amount of isk, you can avoid the dumb mistake and we can be spared yet another rage filled thread where it's all CCPs fault for not catering to your exact specific needs.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#32 - 2014-05-20 15:53:54 UTC
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
With all the patches and fantastical plans for expansions and mega-changes Eve has one of the dumbest things still operating to make a capsuleer's life a confusing misery.

Take a look at this Blueprint Copy https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97960240/ExeFile%202014-05-20%2015-17-20-95.jpg

You can cleary read "Max Runs Per Blueprint Copy 15.

NOPE!

When I tried to make 2 runs the lab refused saying, "You can only make 1 run per copy".

So have I paid over-the-odds for a single run BPC masquerading as a 15 run BPC because CCP haven't bothered to change the meaningful info in the description of certain items???

I don't think there is anything more stupid in this nice game of Eve and CCP really should add a patch NOW to tell people the useful info not bloody useless info about the max runs which it COULD achieve but HASN'T!

What a crock!

You are not the first person to get caught by this. I will bet you wont be the last.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#33 - 2014-05-20 15:56:59 UTC
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
Wrong! Here is the unimportant information it shows when you mouse over

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97960240/Mouse%20Over.jpg

Here is the (tiny) error I made looking at the contract

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97960240/Show%20Info.jpg

I used Show Info and saw the Max Runs at 15 which was irrelevant useless information for that contract and was linked to the original BPO (which was NOT for sale).

What a dopey system!
Double click the contract. Actually open the contract so you are looking at the specific BPC and not the header for the contract.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#34 - 2014-05-20 16:00:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
Here

When you click info, it show you the basic blueprint. This is so people can see the base amount of minerals on it, base production time etc etc etc.

Edit: Pro MS Paint skills right there! Lol

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
#35 - 2014-05-20 16:03:27 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
[Do I think it's important that they leave in the ability to look at the raw blueprint information as well as the specific BPC information from a contract? Yes I most certainly do. If they didn;t, rather than just being able to grab both sets of information with 2 different methods. If they made it so we can only get the BPC info, we'd have to go elsewhere to get the BPO info.

Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
Make a patch that when you use the Show Info on a BPC it actually shows the bloody info on THAT BPC and not the BPO it came from.
Or your parents could make a patch where they add a few extra IQ points to your genepool. That way, when you are in a position to lose a meaningful amount of isk, you can avoid the dumb mistake and we can be spared yet another rage filled thread where it's all CCPs fault for not catering to your exact specific needs.


Ok wiseass! Make a patch to write in the description (refers to Blueprint Original) or words to that effect, so that geeks like you can find out how many copies of a Blueprint you can make from an original, NOT the relevant info the purchaser of this contract wanted when they quickly used the Show Info button rather than clicking through the contract and then checking the details of said contract.

I said I made a tiny (yes tiny) mistake, due to the fact I was playing on and off and used a shortcut.

All I'm saying is CCP can make the game clearer without upsetting the geeks who wanna know all the bloody info of a BPO, while the people who wanna just get up to speed quickly get the actual relevant info as quickly as possible.

Fair enough!?!?
Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
#36 - 2014-05-20 16:05:30 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
Here

When you click info, it show you the basic blueprint. This is so people can see the base amount of minerals on it, base production time etc etc etc.

Edit: Pro MS Paint skills right there! Lol


Look how tiny that IMPORTANT information is. And as I said I used the Show Info button which gave me misleading stats.

Surely this can be improved??
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#37 - 2014-05-20 16:06:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
Make a patch to write in the description (refers to Blueprint Original) or words to that effect, so that geeks like you can find out how many copies of a Blueprint you can make from an original, NOT the relevant info the purchaser of this contract wanted when they quickly used the Show Info button rather than clicking through the contract and then checking the details of said contract.

I said I made a tiny (yes tiny) mistake, due to the fact I was playing on and off and used a shortcut.

All I'm saying is CCP can make the game clearer without upsetting the geeks who wanna know all the bloody info of a BPO, while the people who wanna just get up to speed quickly get the actual relevant info as quickly as possible.

Fair enough!?!?

What are you going on about? Clicking the show info doesn't show a Blueprint Original. BPO's show on it "Blueprint Original". What you have got is the Hardcopy base rate BPC (Blueprint copy) as I have stated to you (and others too) many times during this thread.

Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
Here

When you click info, it show you the basic blueprint. This is so people can see the base amount of minerals on it, base production time etc etc etc.

Edit: Pro MS Paint skills right there! Lol


Look how tiny that IMPORTANT information is. And as I said I used the Show Info button which gave me misleading stats.

Surely this can be improved??

Tiny, dude its right there in grey and white... You need to read it thoroughly. Just don't make the same mistake again. All the information is right there on the contract for you to see.

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#38 - 2014-05-20 16:09:30 UTC
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
geeks like you


Oh mercy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nlmeHeYokU

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#39 - 2014-05-20 16:17:45 UTC
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
Ok wiseass! Make a patch to write in the description (refers to Blueprint Original) or words to that effect, so that geeks like you can find out how many copies of a Blueprint you can make from an original, NOT the relevant info the purchaser of this contract wanted when they quickly used the Show Info button rather than clicking through the contract and then checking the details of said contract.
Or... they can leave it as is. It's pretty clear that the show info is showing you an original and not the copy, i mean it doesn't say "Blueprint Copy" at the top like copies do, it's a different colour icon and it has no licensed runs listed. If they said "original" that would be lying too, since you aren't looking at the original, you are looking at that blueprint type, not that blueprint item.

And the info that window provides isn't just the max number of runs. Learn a bit about industry and you'll realise why it's useful on many occasions to know type info.

Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
I said I made a tiny (yes tiny) mistake, due to the fact I was playing on and off and used a shortcut.
yup, you did, and that was fine and if that's where it ended, that would have been that. But it didn't. You cam on the forums yelling about how this was the stupidest thing ever and telling us why it must be changed.

Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
All I'm saying is CCP can make the game clearer without upsetting the geeks who wanna know all the bloody info of a BPO, while the people who wanna just get up to speed quickly get the actual relevant info as quickly as possible.
It's clear enough. If you open the contract the information is there. It's not provided in the header since that is telling you the type, not the item (see above). Why don't you just learn from this and not take a shortcut that doesn't exist?

Just for the record, in the context of industry, the "stupidest thing" is the material amounts when running a blueprint with materials that appear in both regular materials and extra materials on a character with less that max material efficiency skills.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#40 - 2014-05-20 16:21:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
To be fair to the OP, there really is no reason for the "Max Run" portion to even be on copies, since it is for all intensive purposes meaningless and just leads to confusion.

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