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Can IGS Posts Meet A Minimum Standard of Intellectual Honesty?
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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2014-07-28 03:19:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Kale Silence wrote:
Honest question. This Kim person seems completely ********.

She's... Unique? I guess that's the polite way of putting it. I think she may have Irreverseable brain damage, the poor thing.


She will not read anything or study anything unless it ties to her world-view and it is sanctioned by the Provists. She hangs onto Heth's every word. I bet she was elevated to capsuleer status because she wrote a particularly impressive pro-Heth and anti-Gallente essay at some point.

She is hopelessly indoctrinated, narrow minded and too myopic to recognise it. As far as she is concerned, in this cluster only Heth is right, the Caldari is best, everyone else is subhuman and anyone who disagrees with her or Heth or the Provists is mentally ********.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Kale Silence
Doomheim
#102 - 2014-07-28 03:22:03 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Kale Silence wrote:
Honest question. This Kim person seems completely ********.

She's... Unique? I guess that's the polite way of putting it. I think she may have Irreverseable brain damage, the poor thing.


She will not read anything or study anything unless it ties to her world-view and it is sanctioned by the Provists. She hangs onto Heth's every word. I bet she was elevated to capsuleer status because she wrote a particularly impressive pro-Heth and anti-Gallente essay at some point.

She is hopelessly indoctrinated, narrow minded and too myopic to recognise it. As far as she is concerned, in this cluster only Heth is right, the Caldari is best, everyone else is subhuman and anyone who disagrees with her or Heth or the Provists is mentally ********.


Wow.

I'm hungry. Got any cookies?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2014-07-28 04:22:33 UTC
Kale Silence wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Kale Silence wrote:
Honest question. This Kim person seems completely ********.

She's... Unique? I guess that's the polite way of putting it. I think she may have Irreverseable brain damage, the poor thing.


She will not read anything or study anything unless it ties to her world-view and it is sanctioned by the Provists. She hangs onto Heth's every word. I bet she was elevated to capsuleer status because she wrote a particularly impressive pro-Heth and anti-Gallente essay at some point.

She is hopelessly indoctrinated, narrow minded and too myopic to recognise it. As far as she is concerned, in this cluster only Heth is right, the Caldari is best, everyone else is subhuman and anyone who disagrees with her or Heth or the Provists is mentally ********.


Wow.

I'm hungry. Got any cookies?


Oh, and before I forget, she can't hold her alcohol, is obsessed with rubber missiles and Thorax models (including the vibrating kind) and is easily flustered.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Kale Silence
Doomheim
#104 - 2014-07-28 04:24:42 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Oh, and before I forget, she can't hold her alcohol, is obsessed with rubber missiles and Thorax models (including the vibrating kind) and is easily flustered.


Wat
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2014-07-28 08:31:49 UTC
Kale Silence wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Oh, and before I forget, she can't hold her alcohol, is obsessed with rubber missiles and Thorax models (including the vibrating kind) and is easily flustered.


Wat


It's true, I swear! Aracturus can vouch for me!

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#106 - 2014-07-28 17:00:02 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Kale Silence wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Oh, and before I forget, she can't hold her alcohol, is obsessed with rubber missiles and Thorax models (including the vibrating kind) and is easily flustered.


Wat


It's true, I swear! Aracturus can vouch for me!

A quick search of her posts can vouch for you.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Kale Silence
Doomheim
#107 - 2014-07-28 18:45:38 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's true, I swear! Aracturus can vouch for me!


I think I should meet this chick. Maybe change her mind a bit about us Sebbies Blink
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#108 - 2014-07-28 19:36:39 UTC
Kale Silence wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's true, I swear! Aracturus can vouch for me!


I think I should meet this chick. Maybe change her mind a bit about us Sebbies Blink

Good luck with that.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Ragnar Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2014-07-29 04:10:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ragnar Severasse
Kale Silence wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's true, I swear! Aracturus can vouch for me!


I think I should meet this chick. Maybe change her mind a bit about us Sebbies Blink


While you're at it convince Naupilus that the Minmatar are buddy buddy with him.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2014-07-29 04:12:52 UTC
Ragnar Severasse wrote:
Kale Silence wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's true, I swear! Aracturus can vouch for me!


I think I should meet this chick. Maybe change her mind a bit about us Sebbies Blink


While you're at it convince Naupolis that the Minmatar are buddy buddy with him.


Nauplius has no redeeming features. He doesn't even get drunk easily enough to be made fun of.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2014-07-29 04:24:08 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
It seems to be quite the fashion here on IGS to speak of “other” people, our fellow humans, as if they are somehow by the very nature of their birth within certain political spheres or ethnic groups somehow lesser then whatever group or category we were either born into or migrated to ourselves.

I would like to put that foolish notion to rest once and for all, humans as a specie are generally equal in capacity on average. There is no legitimate quantifiable empirical data that has ever indicated otherwise.

Certainly political & religious spheres create patterns of social behavior that become readily identifiable with some people raised under their influence, but these are just that, patterns of behavior, not inate genetic destiny or limitations.

I would like to challenge all those who speak here on IGS to meet the minimum standard of intellectual honesty when posting about groups of people that are “other” than themselves, to apply all the rights, privileges, capacity, and humanity they attribute to themselves to the “others” equally. If that standard is met I think it will elevate the overall conversation here on IGS.

The popular and powerful religious, nationalistic, and ethnic chest thumping will have it's place as indicators of our individual patterns of behavior but they will no longer be allowed to masquerade as proven scientific facts.

I will attempt to have my future posts reflect this more intellectually balanced standard and I both invite and challenge you to join me in doing so.


Considering that you blocked all communications with me over a rather insignificant dispute here (so insignificant I can't even remember) I consider you one of the last people who should be speaking on decency in the summit.

Of course, I think you were the chap that blocked me. If you're reading this, then I sincerely apologize.

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Kale Silence
Doomheim
#112 - 2014-07-29 20:17:15 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Kale Silence wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's true, I swear! Aracturus can vouch for me!


I think I should meet this chick. Maybe change her mind a bit about us Sebbies Blink

Good luck with that.


*ahem*

Sarcasm. I really have no response of how to handle this ******.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#113 - 2014-07-30 02:12:44 UTC
Kale Silence wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Kale Silence wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
It's true, I swear! Aracturus can vouch for me!


I think I should meet this chick. Maybe change her mind a bit about us Sebbies Blink

Good luck with that.


*ahem*

Sarcasm. I really have no response of how to handle this ******.

With more sarcasm, normally. But I do wish you the best of luck if you attempt this endeavor.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#114 - 2014-07-30 14:37:18 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Kale Silence wrote:
Honest question. This Kim person seems completely ********.

She's... Unique? I guess that's the polite way of putting it. I think she may have Irreverseable brain damage, the poor thing.


She will not read anything or study anything unless it ties to her world-view and it is sanctioned by the Provists. She hangs onto Heth's every word. I bet she was elevated to capsuleer status because she wrote a particularly impressive pro-Heth and anti-Gallente essay at some point.

She is hopelessly indoctrinated, narrow minded and too myopic to recognise it. As far as she is concerned, in this cluster only Heth is right, the Caldari is best, everyone else is subhuman and anyone who disagrees with her or Heth or the Provists is mentally ********.

Is this minmatar so much hurt by something, that he is pouring that much crap and lies about me, or it was him, who got irreversible brain damage and unable to see facts, replacing them with his hallucinations?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Kale Silence
Doomheim
#115 - 2014-07-30 23:00:48 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Is this minmatar so much hurt by something, that he is pouring that much crap and lies about me, or it was him, who got irreversible brain damage and unable to see facts, replacing them with his hallucinations?


Wat
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2014-07-31 01:56:47 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Kale Silence wrote:
Honest question. This Kim person seems completely ********.

She's... Unique? I guess that's the polite way of putting it. I think she may have Irreverseable brain damage, the poor thing.


She will not read anything or study anything unless it ties to her world-view and it is sanctioned by the Provists. She hangs onto Heth's every word. I bet she was elevated to capsuleer status because she wrote a particularly impressive pro-Heth and anti-Gallente essay at some point.

She is hopelessly indoctrinated, narrow minded and too myopic to recognise it. As far as she is concerned, in this cluster only Heth is right, the Caldari is best, everyone else is subhuman and anyone who disagrees with her or Heth or the Provists is mentally ********.

Is this minmatar so much hurt by something, that he is pouring that much crap and lies about me, or it was him, who got irreversible brain damage and unable to see facts, replacing them with his hallucinations?


Is your brain so small and addled and your eyes and camera drones so entropied that you can only respond with baseless assumptions instead of observations and making personal attacks instead of objecting with verifiable facts?

You are not helping your case, but I bet you are just going to brush it off as 'tribal whatsit', as though calling us 'tribal' is in any way an insult. Or launch another form of personal attack.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#117 - 2014-07-31 05:30:08 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Is your brain so small and addled and your eyes and camera drones so entropied that you can only respond with baseless assumptions instead of observations and making personal attacks instead of objecting with verifiable facts?

Read what you just wrote, but imagine that someone else said it to you.

And, please excuse me, but I am not going to waste my time to provide arguments and facts for any deluded hallucinating jerk, who sucks out insults and lies about me from empty air.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#118 - 2014-07-31 11:19:39 UTC
It's like you live in your own special universe where every day is opposite day. How precious.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Matar Ronin
#119 - 2014-08-15 06:45:41 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
It seems to be quite the fashion here on IGS to speak of “other” people, our fellow humans, as if they are somehow by the very nature of their birth within certain political spheres or ethnic groups somehow lesser then whatever group or category we were either born into or migrated to ourselves.

I would like to put that foolish notion to rest once and for all, humans as a specie are generally equal in capacity on average. There is no legitimate quantifiable empirical data that has ever indicated otherwise.

Certainly political & religious spheres create patterns of social behavior that become readily identifiable with some people raised under their influence, but these are just that, patterns of behavior, not inate genetic destiny or limitations.

I would like to challenge all those who speak here on IGS to meet the minimum standard of intellectual honesty when posting about groups of people that are “other” than themselves, to apply all the rights, privileges, capacity, and humanity they attribute to themselves to the “others” equally. If that standard is met I think it will elevate the overall conversation here on IGS.

The popular and powerful religious, nationalistic, and ethnic chest thumping will have it's place as indicators of our individual patterns of behavior but they will no longer be allowed to masquerade as proven scientific facts.

I will attempt to have my future posts reflect this more intellectually balanced standard and I both invite and challenge you to join me in doing so.


Considering that you blocked all communications with me over a rather insignificant dispute here (so insignificant I can't even remember) I consider you one of the last people who should be speaking on decency in the summit.

Of course, I think you were the chap that blocked me. If you're reading this, then I sincerely apologize.

Since I am reading this you are as usual "Wrong Again!".

If you had anything of substance to say perhaps we could have had an interesting exchange of ideas, however it seems you are the kind of guy who can not ever get pass the messenger to deal with the content of the message.

This thread was just to see how many other capsuleers thought as I did, that elevating the intellectual honesty of discussions here on IGS would be a good thing. I am happy to see many agreed.

Many did not agree. That is the nature of conversation and difficult subjects, unanimous agreement is not the ultimate goal.

I hope the well formulated arguments presented both pro and con served as food for thought for all those who read or contributed.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Rouen-Michel en Lefevre
#120 - 2014-08-26 05:13:08 UTC
I was planning to let this topic rest. But I am afraid I have to mention a small quibble, grouse, gripe with the original post.

The structure of your message revolves around this notion of 'intellectual honesty,' but there is a significant difficulty with your use of the phrase. The people you are criticizing are often not being intellectually dishonest. They quite sincerely believe the facts are as they see them and lead to the conclusions they have come to. Are there charlatans that do not genuinely think what they claim to? Indeed, but it seems likely that is not the majority of participants in the Intergalactic Summit. The people you are criticizing think the facts are actually as they see them and quite rationally come to their worldview through that perception of the facts.

It is disingenuous to claim that those you disagree with are simply being intellectually dishonest and therefore allowing yourself to dismiss them out of hand.