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Phrike Horizon
The Alpha Project
#1 - 2014-05-18 22:23:13 UTC
Hello everyone, I'm relatively new to posting in the forums. I currently fly an Ishtar / Rattlesnake but am looking to shift away from drones (5.6 million skill points in there) into straight missile boats. The CNR, Golem, are amazing but I'm really wanting to get into a Barghest. I don't have much in the way of reasoning other than the Barghest looks sexy and different.

I am looking for potential fits for one that are PVE oriented. I don't do PVP or lowsec space which I know these ships are geared towards (Warp Scram being useless in PVE and all...) but, it's what I'd like to fly.

The current setup I made for it in EFT based on the file someone else made in reddit looks like this:

[TEST Barghest, TEST Barghest]
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Power Diagnostic System II

Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Target Painter II
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
Target Painter II
Domination 100MN Afterburner

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

[empty rig slot]
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Bay Loading Accelerator II

Hammerhead II x1
Hammerhead II x1
Hammerhead II x1
Hammerhead II x1
Hammerhead II x1

Looking for input and/or other fits. I'm unsure what to use the high slot and if there's anything else I am missing. I am new to missile boats (that aren't heavily supported by drones) so please keep that in mind! Thanks all.
Chris Winter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-05-18 23:11:26 UTC
Barghest will be awful for PvE. The scram range bonus is completely wasted, and with no application bonus you'll be doing crap damage to smaller ships.

Stick to a Golem or CNR for PvE.

As to your fit--needs more rigors. Also never use T2 TPs, they're worse than meta 4.
Phrike Horizon
The Alpha Project
#3 - 2014-05-18 23:20:46 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Barghest will be awful for PvE. The scram range bonus is completely wasted, and with no application bonus you'll be doing crap damage to smaller ships.

Stick to a Golem or CNR for PvE.

As to your fit--needs more rigors. Also never use T2 TPs, they're worse than meta 4.


Thanks for the input on the TPs, I'll look into that. As I mentioned in my post, I know the CNR and Golem are better for dps and application, the want to fly the Barghest is because of how cool it looks. I also realize the scram is wasted in PVE, I mentioned that as well.

I fixed the rigors to:

Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Bay Loading Accelerator I

I'm looking for a fit that works with what I want to do, not "Fly a CNR or Golem". I don't think there's anything wrong with using it to do PVE missions in a manner I enjoy the game in best!
Chris Winter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-05-18 23:36:41 UTC
I said needs rigors, not fix the rigs :)

With 4x ballistic control systems the bay loading accelerator is mostly wasted. The core defense field extender doesn't do much for you since it's an active tank.

Warhead rigor catalysts are always better than warhead flare catalysts. For PVE on pretty much any mission boat your rigs should aim for 2x Rigor2 1x Flare2. However, since the Barghest only has 350 calibration (I assume, since that's what the other pirate BSes have) you may need 2x Rigor2 1x Flare1.
Phrike Horizon
The Alpha Project
#5 - 2014-05-18 23:44:57 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
I said needs rigors, not fix the rigs :)

With 4x ballistic control systems the bay loading accelerator is mostly wasted. The core defense field extender doesn't do much for you since it's an active tank.

Warhead rigor catalysts are always better than warhead flare catalysts. For PVE on pretty much any mission boat your rigs should aim for 2x Rigor2 1x Flare2. However, since the Barghest only has 350 calibration (I assume, since that's what the other pirate BSes have) you may need 2x Rigor2 1x Flare1.


Thanks for that! Still learning all this.
Phrike Horizon
The Alpha Project
#6 - 2014-05-19 00:36:21 UTC
[TEST Barghest, TEST Barghest]
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Power Diagnostic System II

Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
Target Painter I
Target Painter I
Domination 100MN Afterburner

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Updated.
Kalkoken Inkunen
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-05-19 01:15:20 UTC
Phrike Horizon wrote:
[TEST Barghest, TEST Barghest]
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Power Diagnostic System II

Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
Target Painter I
Target Painter I
Domination 100MN Afterburner

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Updated.


Shiny carebear fit ship that is bonused for PVP... Must resist urge to suicide gank! Twisted
Chris Winter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-05-19 01:26:44 UTC
Phrike Horizon wrote:
[TEST Barghest, TEST Barghest]
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Power Diagnostic System II

Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
Target Painter I
Target Painter I
Domination 100MN Afterburner

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Updated.

For TPs, you're looking for meta4--Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron (PWNAGE) I think is the full name.
Phrike Horizon
The Alpha Project
#9 - 2014-05-19 01:33:44 UTC
Quote:
For TPs, you're looking for meta4--Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron (PWNAGE) I think is the full name.


Ah that's what you meant! Thanks.

Quote:
Shiny carebear fit ship that is bonused for PVP... Must resist urge to suicide gank!


I suppose that's an even bigger reason to not want to fly one of these... Grumble.
xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#10 - 2014-05-19 03:25:29 UTC
These things are probably going to start around 2.5b just for the hull for the first 2-3 months. More if MOA has half a brain to try and corner the market.

Phrike Horizon
The Alpha Project
#11 - 2014-05-19 03:46:10 UTC
xPredat0rz wrote:
These things are probably going to start around 2.5b just for the hull for the first 2-3 months. More if MOA has half a brain to try and corner the market.



If that truly ends up being the case, then I'm going to get a Golem until prices drop. The ship looks amazing, but not 2.5 bil amazing.
xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#12 - 2014-05-19 04:06:10 UTC
Phrike Horizon wrote:
xPredat0rz wrote:
These things are probably going to start around 2.5b just for the hull for the first 2-3 months. More if MOA has half a brain to try and corner the market.



If that truly ends up being the case, then I'm going to get a Golem until prices drop. The ship looks amazing, but not 2.5 bil amazing.


Well the low sec drops might mess with pricing. Doesnt change the fact there is only 1 Station for Mordus Legion. It is in the middle of NPC Pure Blind Surrounded by the CFC. On top of being home to people that like to roleplay.

Any of those enities could farm up enough lp to make it worth while but consider the market to be pretty bare and easily manipulated.
Phrike Horizon
The Alpha Project
#13 - 2014-05-19 04:21:02 UTC
xPredat0rz wrote:
Phrike Horizon wrote:
xPredat0rz wrote:
These things are probably going to start around 2.5b just for the hull for the first 2-3 months. More if MOA has half a brain to try and corner the market.



If that truly ends up being the case, then I'm going to get a Golem until prices drop. The ship looks amazing, but not 2.5 bil amazing.


Well the low sec drops might mess with pricing. Doesnt change the fact there is only 1 Station for Mordus Legion. It is in the middle of NPC Pure Blind Surrounded by the CFC. On top of being home to people that like to roleplay.

Any of those enities could farm up enough lp to make it worth while but consider the market to be pretty bare and easily manipulated.


I knew it'd be expensive because of the reasons listed, but I figured maybe up there with the Golem, 1.2 bil or so. I'll wait for it come down.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#14 - 2014-05-19 04:50:08 UTC
Any fit without a full rack of points is doing it wrong.

Oh god.
Phrike Horizon
The Alpha Project
#15 - 2014-05-19 04:56:07 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Any fit without a full rack of points is doing it wrong.


I'm clearly new, but I have no idea what this means.
Kalkoken Inkunen
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-05-19 05:11:13 UTC
Phrike Horizon wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Any fit without a full rack of points is doing it wrong.


I'm clearly new, but I have no idea what this means.

And you want to fly a pirate faction battleship. This might not be such a great idea
Phrike Horizon
The Alpha Project
#17 - 2014-05-19 05:17:36 UTC
Kalkoken Inkunen wrote:
Phrike Horizon wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Any fit without a full rack of points is doing it wrong.


I'm clearly new, but I have no idea what this means.

And you want to fly a pirate faction battleship. This might not be such a great idea


I'm not sure if not understand the phrase "full rack of points" determines whether I can or cannot fly a ship, faction or not. I've not read the phrase before is all.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#18 - 2014-05-19 06:15:45 UTC
Phrike Horizon wrote:
Kalkoken Inkunen wrote:
Phrike Horizon wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Any fit without a full rack of points is doing it wrong.


I'm clearly new, but I have no idea what this means.

And you want to fly a pirate faction battleship. This might not be such a great idea


I'm not sure if not understand the phrase "full rack of points" determines whether I can or cannot fly a ship, faction or not. I've not read the phrase before is all.


'Point' refers to a warp disruptor or warp scrambler (though scramblers are commonly referred to as 'scram' rather than 'point' to distinguish between the 2), by saying 'a full rack of points' Riot Girl means you'd have all (or most) of your mids dedicated to warp disruptors/scramblers as thats what the ship is bonused for. It's an extremely basic PvP terminology that anyone who has ever flown a PvP ship would know. The Barghest is designed for PvP and trying to make it into a L4 mission boat while possible, is definitely a huge waste of the hull.

If you want a faction missile boat for L4 you should use the Navy Raven or the Fleet Typhoon, both will do much better while being much cheaper.
Phrike Horizon
The Alpha Project
#19 - 2014-05-19 06:24:01 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Phrike Horizon wrote:
Kalkoken Inkunen wrote:
Phrike Horizon wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Any fit without a full rack of points is doing it wrong.


I'm clearly new, but I have no idea what this means.

And you want to fly a pirate faction battleship. This might not be such a great idea


I'm not sure if not understand the phrase "full rack of points" determines whether I can or cannot fly a ship, faction or not. I've not read the phrase before is all.


'Point' refers to a warp disruptor or warp scrambler (though scramblers are commonly referred to as 'scram' rather than 'point' to distinguish between the 2), by saying 'a full rack of points' Riot Girl means you'd have all (or most) of your mids dedicated to warp disruptors/scramblers as thats what the ship is bonused for. It's an extremely basic PvP terminology that anyone who has ever flown a PvP ship would know. The Barghest is designed for PvP and trying to make it into a L4 mission boat while possible, is definitely a huge waste of the hull.

If you want a faction missile boat for L4 you should use the Navy Raven or the Fleet Typhoon, both will do much better while being much cheaper.


I appreciate the explanation there, thank you. I'm talking myself into the Golem and CNR (I'm pretty heavy into the Caldari skills) and I think it's just the excitement over a new hull (that I like quite a bit). I've seen the Raven hulls for so long they just aren't as exciting. I know aesthetics are a terrible justification but, it's all I've got.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#20 - 2014-05-19 07:08:05 UTC
Phrike Horizon wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Phrike Horizon wrote:
Kalkoken Inkunen wrote:
Phrike Horizon wrote:


I'm clearly new, but I have no idea what this means.

And you want to fly a pirate faction battleship. This might not be such a great idea


I'm not sure if not understand the phrase "full rack of points" determines whether I can or cannot fly a ship, faction or not. I've not read the phrase before is all.


'Point' refers to a warp disruptor or warp scrambler (though scramblers are commonly referred to as 'scram' rather than 'point' to distinguish between the 2), by saying 'a full rack of points' Riot Girl means you'd have all (or most) of your mids dedicated to warp disruptors/scramblers as thats what the ship is bonused for. It's an extremely basic PvP terminology that anyone who has ever flown a PvP ship would know. The Barghest is designed for PvP and trying to make it into a L4 mission boat while possible, is definitely a huge waste of the hull.

If you want a faction missile boat for L4 you should use the Navy Raven or the Fleet Typhoon, both will do much better while being much cheaper.


I appreciate the explanation there, thank you. I'm talking myself into the Golem and CNR (I'm pretty heavy into the Caldari skills) and I think it's just the excitement over a new hull (that I like quite a bit). I've seen the Raven hulls for so long they just aren't as exciting. I know aesthetics are a terrible justification but, it's all I've got.


I understand how you feel, everyone wants to play with the new shiny toys, but don't forget that people also love to be the first ones to gank new shiny toys. The Barghest fits that you posted are highly susceptible to being suicide ganked due to having no buffer modules (aside from invulns) while being very expensive in terms of both hull cost and modules. So flying one of these shortly after release as a L4 boat will likely end in an expensive wreck.

Personally I would go for a CNR over a Golem because of the better mobility and explosion radius bonus (assuming you don't care about salvage). While Bastion is nice, Cruise missile are definitely better than torps and don't need any of the extra range from Bastion, and the CNR can easily tank L4s while maintaining 4 Damage Mods and 3 rig slots for application so you're not gaining much from the Bastion tank bonus either. Only reason to use a Golem over a CNR IMO is if you're using Torps for shorter range missions. If you're bored of the Raven hulls a good way to go would be the Fleet Typhoon, you'd need solid drone skills to get the most out of it, but with the right fit, it can be one of the best L4 boats out there.
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