Player Features and Ideas Discussion

saying a module can only fit on these types of ships appears to be different to saying a module can fit on everything but these types of ship.

perhaps u could do it the long way and say the the DC can only be fit on these (list of every ship of the game except freighters). but thats the difficult part, and something always goes wrong when u do it like that.

3 T1 cargo rigs lead to an increase (to just over 1m rather than just under 1m) cargo capacity as far as I can tell. It is a bit annoying that there will be a significant increase to the cost of owning a freighter/jf because of this change. That said, the JFs are the ones that are getting the shaft with these changes.

Release jump fuel use reduction rigs along with this change and I think people might be less grumpy. There just aren't any useful rigs for these ships besides cargo rigs and maybe some nav rigs (depending on how people haul), so this just functions as an increased barrier to entry for large volume hauling.

Also, the secondary bonuses for both JFs and freighters are kinda silly. Agility bonus to something that travels by jumping? Speed % bonus to something that has almost no speed and spends 90% of its time in warp?

Again, all of those have “can only be fitted to” attributes. None of them have any kind of “can't be fitted to” attribute. The fact that they can't be fitted to some ships is just a result of a ship not being on the approved list.

If, for instance, the industrial core had a “not that class of ship”-style restriction, it would have to list every class in the game except one, which is a really ugly way of doing things. Instead, it just lists the one it can be fitted to.

And my point is that hull tanking upgrades aren't properly balanced and making them require 0 fitting just to fit the freighter case is horrible and only furthers their imbalance.

out the box and into space

Well you said so earlier yourself, no one fits hull upgrade tanking mods seriously except in two cases. This is not balanced. The drone rebalance thread is a perfect example of this. Two types of drones weren't getting used because they suck (and this will likely still be the case afterwards) so they got changed. Since there are three types of HP and people only tank two of them because the third isn't viable, then the third is not balanced.

No, it just means that only two (well, three) classes are set up in such a way that they benefit from hull tanking. That in and of itself is not unbalanced.

Even if it were, that would just mean that making the hull buffer module more viable would improve the balance, not make it more imbalanced.

But you aren't arguing to make the hull buffer module more viable. Removing the fitting requirements from them wasn't the imbalanced aspect of them anyway and doing so would only make them fittable in this one off case in which devs have already stated they don't like doing.

These changes are fine and should be implemented as originally posted.

Once the market settles and there is actual demand for t2 cargo rigs, the prices will be much much lower. Currently almost nobody builds them because they moved very slowly (if they sold at all) before this change was announced.