Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This might make things clearer: (since forgetting words is bad)

I didn't mention the orca in any of my "original" posts. I wasn't whining about what the orca could or could not do. I didn't bring up the orca. You did.

let's just clear things up easily; you were wrong.
we proved it.

You proved I was wrong about what exactly?

This is a solution headed in the right direction, controls costs and provides flexibility (toss in a few custom freighter only mods and this is win).

p.s. obligatory.....grrr goons!

I will when you do.

Yes, but now it will take two t2 cargo rigs required to even get to the current freighter capacities. TBH this is a pretty hefty kick in the balls to anyone with a freighter pilot. allow me to explain

I'll use a fenrir for this example since I own one and did the calculations. Because most people won't switch ammo when ganking a freighter, I took each of the 4 damage types and calculated roughly what the total EHP would be if you were using only that damage type. Below are the results. Note: these do not take the individual skill or implants into account.

Current Fenrir

Type Shield Armor Total (100,000 hp added for hull which has no resist so same for all types)
em 5625 34,000 139,625
therm 6750 28,687 135,437
kinetic 7875 26,562 134,437
exp 8437 23,375 131,812

New Fenrir
Type Shield Armor Total (82,500 hp added for hull which has no resist so same for all types)
em 10000 44,800 137,300
therm 12000 37,800 132,300
kinetic 14000 35,000 131500
exp 15000 30,800 128,300

So as you can see the ship just received a few thousand EHP nerf to begin with. And lost 200,000m3 of space to go along with it hassah! looks like all that armor is gonna take up some of that precious storage space. This nerf gets amplified though once you start putting on any of the rigs that one would expect to be on a freighter such as astro rigs which all reduce armor. the result drops the EHP down to barely over 120K. I would expect that for someone going for max cargo with 3 cargo rigs but with calibration t2 ones won't be possible and now a pilot will be required to fit either 3 t1 rigs or 2 t2 rigs JUST to get to the current capacities of freighters.

Lets assume the best and your freighter pilot is capable of If using just the t2 rigs. You use 2 t2 cargo rigs to get JUST ABOVE what the current fenrir capacity is. We'll throw in a t2 trimark rig then to compensate for the armor loss of the first two rigs but now you're slower. So now you have a freighter that can barely hold more than the current one. has less of a tank and travels slower..... I honestly was expected there to be a slight nerf to the cargo and tank to compensate for the fact you can boost these now but this is a little much I think. I would rather have the freighters have more base cargo with a 50% reduction in the effectiveness of cargo rigs.

And before someone points out yes you could instead swap the trimark for a t2 hull hp rig to come out which would push the freighter slightly over it's current EHP however the hull rigs have already stated they would reduce cargo as a penalty so you would essentially have counter boosting rigs at that point.

Here are my posts in this thread from the last few days



No where did I bring up Orca's. In each of these posts I am responding to someone else that is bringing up a false equivalency arguments. Orcas can not do the same job as freighters. DST and other haulers can not do the same jobs as freighters. They still wouldn't be competitive with the riggable mini freighter I'm fighting for.

What I want is for this change to not to go through and freighters be left alone. In loo of that I'm proposing that instead of nerfing a class across the board to give people what they've foolishly been asking for that instead we create an already nerfed ship that has what these people want. Case close.

It never ceases to amaze me how CCP manages to break every promise and botch every positive change time after time after time!

Here is the KEYNOTE about freighters/jfs

http://youtu.be/k07Uu7qUEa0?t=46m39s

I quote fozzie:

Quote:

This means you'll be able to increase your cargohold BEYOND CURRENT STANDARDS with cargo rigs

And then this thread....

seriously, so dumb........ so idiotic...... so disappointing....... so typical........

Yeah thread sucks, but to clear it up for you, you will indeed be able to increase the hold beyond what it is now. Check this awesome tool out...
http://xyjax.com/optimizer_kronos/index.html

They didn't break any promises, though.
You can do exactly what they said you will be able to do, and the price for being able to do so is entirely in line with what was expected.

That was never the question, either.