Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As much as I dislike these changes, anyone making threats is to put it bluntly, lacking in intelligence.




Now, many people here keep saying that the object of these nerfs are aimed at helping decentralize the Jita market. I previously haven never even bought into the notion that CCP even wants to push people into regionalized markets because it seemed trivial to make that happen, but have seen it referred to now so many times I'd like to ask if it really is.

It seems daft to me to penalize the delivery men to counteract what ccp has basically enabled and in fact built their infrastructure around. (going so far as to add dedicated hardware for Jita)

Here is an explanation of why it would be silly to expect changes to freighters to have any effect at all on the market.

Many of the people hauling things to Jita, are simply providing a service, to the people who want to sell their wares and or buy their wares in a centralized location. They may not be a "Frog" or working via courier contracts, heck they may just be moving stuff for their friends/corp mates, but they are doing it at the behest of some person wanting to buy or sell something. They do this in Jita, because of one thing, volume. If Joe Player makes 20 cruisers a month via invention and a few thousand modules, he might just sell his stuff in Amarr. If Joe Player makes 1200 t2 ships, and 15000 t2 mods, along with ammo, drones etc etc, their is only one place that has the volume to move that amount of product. Yes they could stick that stuff on the market in Amarr, but not enough would sell to warrant that level of production for long. Now he might be able to undercut Jita prices by a substantial amount to encourage resellers, however this is not fixing an issue, it is just post-poning it, as the reseller will need to freight all the stuff to, you guessed it, Jita.

Making the game harder for the "truck driver" won't change this. The person needing to buy/sell the item in Jita, is not going to care one bit that the "truck driver" had to buy some rigs, and take additional time, endure additional boredom, to make that trip. It doesn't matter to them. The only way to encourage sellers to sell their stuff in a different location is to make sure it is financially viable for them to do so.

If you want to decentralize the Jita market, it is very simple. You do what "countries, Cities, Towns, malls, mom and pop stores etc do, you provide an incentive for people to both buy and sell their good in your location.

Jack the sales tax in Jita. Like a lot. Tie the tax to volume in fact. The old market hub in Oursalert for example, perhaps they would like a return to market relevance, so they offer capsuleers a reduced sales tax, and sellers decreased broker fees.. This is how you move the people out of Jita, and back to Ours, Amarr, and dare I say it, maybe even Yulai? (That only makes sense if you are very old)

If you make it substantially cheaper to buy and sell items in regional centers, people WILL move.
If you just penalize the freighter pilot, nothing changes, except they have less fun.

Look at that politician speak. There is zero risk involved, you have an alt with a passive targeter and a ship scanner. If the target is carrying more than 300m then you have an extremely high success rate of profit. If the loot is all destroyed, then who cares. You get a multibillion isk kill for your own investment of 15m. This isn't rocket science, it is pretty simple probability.

The main point of confusion seems to be the perception that, just because you can hedge and mitigate your risks, they don't exist. That's where the logic goes off the tracks. The fact that you can (and have to) hedge and mitigate them is precisely because the risks exist and you want to reduce them as much as possible.

Short of injecting code into TQ, that mitigation and hedging will not make the risks go away.

i might as well sell mine, better of using a rorq to jump stuff around yo.. why even lose the cargo capacity period.. they dont haul enough as it is for the prices for them.. you need to revisit this plain and simple

If you read my last post, you will see how insignificant the risk really is. Loot fairy means nothing when you have a war dec up. At least once a yer Freight club war decs PL and the inside joke is that we bet on which corp is going to lose a JF to them first.

A single mach can keep a webbed freighter from warping with bumping only.

Bringing wardecs into this discussion?
You do realize that no amount of tank is going to help you in that event, right?

I mean you could literally fly your empty freighter in 1.0 space and give it 20 million EHP and people would still kill it because they could. It's not like it could fight back, it would just take longer.

We're not talking about mental deficients who fly freighters under a wardec.

The entire conversation, which is itself a derailling of the thread, was about suicide ganking. You're just derailing further, and making a huge ass of yourself into the bargain.

Not that either.

Good. That means the game is working properly and that it is possible to take make a living off of the stupidity and mistakes of other players.

Neither does agility or cargo size at that point. No ship stat counteracts decision-making failures.

I had trained for these ships (jump freighters) but now the changes being made have certainly made up my mind as to whether I will ever buy them, decidedly no. Compared to this, other capital ships with some hauling capability are a far better trade-off for most tasks, especially now after these proposed changes.
Better fuel usage, better jump range, better price.