Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Thank you... this is a major ****-up for our business, so what this is saying that if we want to stick to our 860k m³ we need to use freighters that, instead of 1.2b cost 2b including rigs and will take even LESS (it's around 400m right now) ships to gank...

Yeah, thank you CCP...

I'm in the freighter business actively for over two years now and I have to say something about these changes. I don't agree with them, while I really like the idea of being able to modify my freighter by more or less tank/cargo/speed.

Freighter hauling is a very dull gameplay and I was hoping for some rebalance ideas that would actually reflect that. However, what I read from these changes, it is actually the opposite. Consider; every freighter pilot will now have to pay extra ~200m extra ISK for rigs to even activate this rebalance at the first place. This will not only annoy all freighter pilots, it will also raise the overall price of a freighter, raise the courier rewards to balance this ISK sink -> annoy contract customers and shake the business all around. And angry customers - not good!

While it is true you will be able to rig your freighter to the original state (for 200m) and getting extra ~4% cargohold capacity (while losing agility by adding the hull rigs), in the freighter world, the 4% cargohold capacity bonus means nothing and agility means everything. This business is all about speed, all about collateral numbers and all about round cargo capacity numbers when comes to hauling. I know this. I do this every day. It does not justify the extra 200m cost into every of your freighters from now on.

The other possibilities how to rig your freighters are good: being able to carry more and faster, but with less tank, this is in the true spirit of EVE and I would love pay for them if I would choose I would like to use them.

However, freighter business is already an extremely expensive business and these changes forces every freighter pilot to spend extra 200m to even enjoy the Kronos release and get either the same freighter as before or modify their freighter into weak/strong hybrid they might not even want.

Please reconsider these changes. Hauling is the backbone of every profession in EVE and freighter gameplay itself is a very dull and very soul-draining profession to do. I didn't and don't expect some massive gameplay overhaul for freighters, but at least do not hurt this unique, important and somewhat soul sensitive profession by forcing players to sink hundreds of millions ISK into getting the same slighty nerfed, or modified and overall still nerfed, freighters. Thank you.

Nope. Nope nope nope.

Devs, you're adding choice, where choice does not add to the gameplay of hauling. There is no need for a game mechanic for choice of ships when it comes to freighters and hauling.

These changes do not help hauling, and are not going to provide meaningful content; the only reason that I can imagine they're being done is change for the sake of change. People said they wanted rigs because they wanted a choice on top of their current use, not choice in order to get to their current use

They wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted to get straight buffed when the ship class was in a perfectly fine state of balance before.

But that's not how EVE works. As they were repeatedly told, and as is now demonstrated.

That would require the construction of a completely new special hold that wouldn't be affected by the rigs anyway. So if you want to do what people wanted to do with rigs, you now have to create new rigs to alter special holds, which will alter the balance of other ships…

See how trying to solve your problem cascades into multiple new problems? Why not just make it easy and reduce cargo space to make sure that the end result doesn't get too high? What is the value of getting so much higher cargo holds and how does it outweigh the headache created by all the problems it spawns? Oh, and what makes it a good idea to have those huge cargo holds to begin with? Restrictions are valuable in the decisions they create.

They rather were and were told as much on every occasion. They just chose to ignore the obvious downsides of what they were asking for.

It looks like a lot of thought went into them. They even managed to reduce the required nerfs to more palatable levels than one would have expected. No, the problem is that little thought went into the demand that freighters be given rigs, since that's where the problem lies. We will never get back our excellent-at-everything freighters now that people have gotten their wish of being able to choose what their ship should be good at.

what an insult this is

getting ppl all happy at fanfest with yeah freighter getting rigg

and bamm hit them with a nerf

The devs of a game want you to make meaningful decisions? How Dare They?!

What a disappointing set of changes.

I doubt I have anything to add that has been not said in the past pages, but I feel that reducing cargo so much that even a cargo rigged ship has less cargo and less tank and is slower and less agile than it was prepatch is a poor idea.

It is EXTREMLY easy to hit the max cargo capacity on freighters if you are moving solv upgrades. It is even easier to hit the max cargo capacity on JF if you move fuel blocks.

EDIT: If you build POSes it is also really easy to hit the max cargo capacity. Capital construction components are huge.

The problem with both Freighters and JF's was that most of there EHP was in structure so there was nothing anyone could do to change that. just the balances to the shield/armor/hull would have been fine as at least people could bump up skills and use implants to get more out of them.

BUT tih JF's at a cost of 6.5bil isk with just 200mil payout when they die you really have to have a better plan or a better reason for why your nerfing the cargo space as well. Especially when your asking us to spend an 1.5bil isk on T2 capital rig to get a JF space to a little over what it is now.

8 Billion isk? Seriously? Meanwhile 600 mil isk worth of T1 BC's can still kill a JF. Hell 60 Mil isk worth of catalysts should.

And also your adding 50% to what it is already the most expensive ship for Jump fuel use.

You want this to make better sense then 2 T1 rigs to get to about the same cargo. T2 rigs get above. Or for those who want to sacrifice space for tank they have better options to tank it up without losses 30% of there cargo space.

Or another option add cargo space to the benefits of JF skill.