Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are talking to player whose income derives from flying freighters through 0.5 chokepoints - so don't think you are fooling anybody when you talk about how "this isn't a buff". I've even lost two freighters in Uedama.

An 720K EHP Anshar fit with Bulkheads - or this 1 Million+ EHP Ark fit I've been seeing are as good as gankproof, flying AFK or no - as long as you keep the cargo under 7-8 Billion. And jumping out remains an option if you want to move more.

The only way you'd get popped is if someone was willing to take a large loss to make an example of you. This simply doesn't happen if gankers are trying to turn a profit.

Your examples of 'gankers winning' are highly specious.

OK, you loaded 10 Billion on your pre-buff JF and got the attention of a gank squad in Uedama. Mach bumps you, and you happened to notice it.

Oh, damn - you have to cyno out. That costs you what? 800 Isotopes to Kubinen or a nearby system? Less? Yeah, that isn't even a rounding error compared to the (very conservative) 1 Billion or so you'll earn from moving that kind of cargo load to a hub. Gankers will have to pick a new target.

Failed gank repair costs? Again - Insignificant compared to the profit you earn off of hauling that huge cargo load. And thats if you pay for the repairs, a logi can fix that up for you with no out-of-pocket expense. (And, yes your cargo had to be huge - otherwise you wouldn't get bumped in the first place....) Plus, the gankers just lost hundreds of millions, or even billions in the gank attempt. Sounds more like a win for you.

OK, suppose the gankers killed you but no cargo dropped, or was stolen. You BOTH lose. Sure, you lose more, but gankers can't buy PLEX, or a new Talos with just killmails, and a great deal of time and energy was wasted, as their fleet is much larger.

Only case where 'for profit' gankers really 'win' is when all the conditions involving looting are met.

-Freighter carrying enough to be profitably ganked shows up and is located with a scout.
-Freighter fails to escape, jump out , or be rescued. (and most of these precautions only require the efforts of 1 + an alt.)
-Cargo drops. (random)
-Cargo is recovered. (depends on 3rd parties, who may simply steal valuable cargo in fast ships - or simply blow up the wreck to deny it to anybody - and these people do not need fleets to be effective, motivated individuals are enough)

And lets face it, freighter pilots 'win' just about 99.9 % of the time, as they are rarely ganked on any given trip, and almost never ganked if they stay out of 0.5 systems. (Burn Jita the only notable exception)

Why not make a T3 freighter with more customization?

First it would get wormholes active again. Second you could custom fit your T3 freighter for either speed, agility, more cargo, or interdiction (Without the use of warp core stabes of corse)

I haven't put a whole lot of thought into it yet but think of it for a bit

People seem to be going on a lot about the Jump Freighters. Isn't it true that the ordinary Freighters have come off far worse?

I've heard there is this module that expands your cargo allowance. Maybe you should try using them, I did and now I can carry more cargo than before, if I like. Or have double EHP, if I like. Or nearly 40% faster alignment.

Or are you just bitching because you can't have all those things simultaneously??

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/06/kills-of-week-battle-of-aufay.html

Behold, the first freighter to be suicide ganked after the Kronos "expansion" went live. CCP's long-awaited nerf to freighter ganking was implemented by buffing freighter EHP at the expense of cargo space, and giving freighter pilots fitting options. It was all for nothing. The New Order has already become too powerful. Saturated by anti-matter delivered by our terror weapons, the post-Kronos freighters went pop, just like the ones who came before.

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45 freighters, 3 jump freighters, 10 Orcas, and numerous other bot-aspirants were killed in Aufay in the name of the Code. The damage is estimated at more than 200 billion isk, all in one week. The freighter count rivals that of the first Burn Jita in 2012 (though they also killed a dozen jump freighters).

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that my arguments are advocating any sort of change to making ganking harder. I'm not. I don't care about the HP of jfs (Don't own one and likely never well) nor do I care about the HP of any other changes. You were whining about the changes that effected you negatively and my posts were merely to point this out to you. If balance can't be about isk vs isk then it similarly can't be about number of players on a target. CCP has stated that's not how they balance, so regardless of whatever your feelings are on the matter, your posts aren't going to change that. If you have data and reasonable arguments, then please by all means state them, but as it stands your posts are no different than others complaining about the nerfs that freighters just got.

Thank you. I simply pulled all that info from the kill boards and was not actually 'on the field' so to speak. Saying 45 freighters and 3 jump freighters etc etc, doesn't tell you a thing tbh. So I thought I should actually decipher the true numbers.

Those kills are from one of Code's 'events', so my guess is they killed everything that they could. If this is indeed the case, we are seeing an actual snapshot of what people were fitting then and not simply ones they deemed easy and/or profitable.

I agree it's early days and this is why I didn't make much of those 2 without any fittings at all. But I do think we'll see plenty with reduced EHP, for one reason or another from now on. This may lead to an increase in freighter ganks, only time will tell. But as I said, the blame if it does can only point one way.

I do think haulers got off rather lightly with this change, it could have been far worse. In fact, I would say they did rather well. I wouldn't at all be surprised at another balance pass at some later date, with reduced stats.

maybe but that still leaves the question why would any freighter pilot now use the charon or fenrir both cannot be tanked efficiently compared to the armor ones

Freighter changes suck. They should have left them alone. I dont even want to fly mine anymore. Except to a trade hub to sell it.

Please remove ability to fit adaptive nanoplating to jump freighters.

It is gamebreaking.

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