Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yeah! I too want to be able to fit a bait Obelisk with a huge tank and a cyno!

Might want to rethink that a bit.

After all, getting all the low ends out to null to keep building supers your block relies heavily on.....might want a freighter with as big a cargo hold as you can get. You may have to end up hauling a giant amount of veld to the ore compression array, before jumping it out to null.

Midslots means ewar
Lowslots mean that they cant project anything

Well the modules could be limited as with the low slots. While Hoshi Sorano's request for a full range of slots and fitting options is silly, the notion of allowing at least some shield tanking ability is less so. Of course, the ships that have more shield than armor HP have other characteristics such as being faster or more cargo space. As such, this request may not go anywhere.

I may have missed it, however: Would it be possible to get CCP to comment on or confirm which set of numbers for the fitted freighters, which are correct, please?

I would like to know what I am commenting on, and Tippia provided one set of numbers, while Red Frog provided another.

Can you show your numbers here please, for the 1% & 4%?

As for the fuel costs/consumption issues, everyone faces those changes so it isn't like you are being singled out and the JF is still the best deal in town for moving lots of stuff to null or low sec.

Ok, seems fair enough. But I do have one big gripe!

Why is the align time being bascially tripled???? Isnt 40 seconds to get to warp long enough as it is? Now at 114 seconds it is absolutely an idiotic change!

Someone please explain the why/how of that decision......

This still seems a massive nerf bat to the groin.

Claiming to offer the ability to customize a ship but then reducing m3 to the order that most of the new changes will go to cargo modules guarantees that most haulers will instantly slap on 2 t2 cargo mods in lows, and one slot to mess with left over isn't going to change much at all.

And increasing the cost for JFs to operate, then saying "hey we will let you use new modules to reduce the fuel costs" sounds highly dubious at beast. For any module to reduce fuel use to a meaningful point they would have to make up for the m3 lost per jump due to cargo amounts lost in the changes.

In other words the m3 per trip/fuel used with a small cargo/high efficency fuel use would have to exceed the idea of using all cargo m3 modules and paying the higher fuel cost in order for players to make that choice. Not to mention offsetting the one trip vs two trip time factor for the player in real life.

Are the fuel costs vs m3 moved really going to be that large of a factor? To offset the 2nd trip and the fuel costs for another trip? We are talking some very large numbers here for fuel reduction. With some JFs having half the cargo according to the posts by CCP is this even feasible, fuel efficiency increasing by over 100% to make up for cost per haul? And that just breaks them even for fuel cost, no mention of making up for the time lost with the 2nd trip to move the same amount that we do now...

I am still of the opinion that the "freighters get rigs" announcement, without any other work done to balance this was a Fanfest publicity stunt that was poorly planned prior to that moment.

I think there is now a healthy place for the one existing faction cargo expander and a few faction nanos.

All I can say is that Im really looking forward to the changes, just yesterday I had 2 full Charon loads of Trit to haul and then a 200k m3 m3 high value haul to do. Given the choice I would have fitted all T2 Cargo Exps first and then Tank and warp speed.