Player Features and Ideas Discussion

85% of paying accounts are alts. If 10% play diverse, I guess that means 2/3 active players are exploring their options.

Sounds about right compared to the people I meet in EVE, regardless of what part I am visiting and who I am talking to.

Also, to the original idea: players can already fly a large ship in highsec that costs a lot and doesn't give them combat capability. That ship is called a freighter. I don't know about you, but flying a freighter around just to show off is something I've always wanted to do. It's one of my goals. I can fly one now, but I still need to buy one.

There are dozens of groups in this game that solely exist to nurture new players, if you choose to play solo that's exactly what it is - a choice.

People are pouring scorn on this idea, because it deserves it. Titans in high sec is a silly idea on every level as has been pointed out in this very thread.

If you want a Titan move out of high sec, that's the progression.

Eve is a social game, if you don't play socially you have to find a play style that makes you content; CCP creating endless solo content is never going to get over the issue that eventually you'll get bored playing it.

The answer to retaining players in Eve is to get them into social groups, CCP knows this from a decade's worth of data.

Turning it into a WoW clone isn't going to change that.

what i get is you want a titan that are able to do mission and are ungangable because its ehp is so high that no one cant do shet befor concord comes and save your as. and you can have them at the same time that you are in a NPC corp and its the biggest mining ship that no one cant touch

how does that even benefit any thing in this game part from solo play

i hate to say this but risk vs reward your version nothing and reward

I'm not against this, simply for the reason that it doesn't hurt. When many ask "why", it's sometimes better to ask "why not". Honestly, what I think could go a long way for player retention would be to add some better tutorials and pve content for new players.

Maybe some stuff that is actually much closer to real pvp. Perhaps showing a player a kiting dessy or frigate fit and saying "okay this is exactly what you need to train in order to fly this ship and fit, when you have trained them come back and we'll have something special for you"

Then for example, having a mission where they have to take on a battle ship with some support frigates that will point/web you, with just your kitey frigate. You have to stay out of neut/smartbomb range, maintain transversal against the BS so it can't apply it's damage, while you are killing the point/web frigs, holding long point on the BS (because it will try to leave once it's support is gone), kill off the drones, and finally break the tank on the ship.

Content that shows off some of the pvp depth in eve, content that is actually difficult. Explain to them EXACTLY what they need to take into account, and how they have to pilot, then let them practice it with some free ships. Let them roll with an NPC fleet that warps around to a series of beacons or something, where they are a tackler and their job is to catch the most expensive ship they can before the enemy fleet escapes, if they grab the wrong thing have the npc fc say "nice job at least you caught something, but the ship you should have went for was "X" it is worth "Y" where the ship you tackled is only worth Z" or where they have to counter tackle an enemy frig that tackles their npc FC, explain to them the reason doing this is important is because you need to remove that frigates speed, by tackling it (scram web), so your fleet can apply dmg to it. It needs to die asap so your FC's ship can pull range on an incoming hostile fleet.

Pvp tutorials where you have to learn about what different ship types do and how to engage them. Maybe something where a few ship types are explained to you and then you have to face off against a well equipped fleet that includes them. Actually explain to them the general themes of the races.

Tell them what ewar the different races use, how their weapons differ (reload times, damage types ect) what kind of dmg they are often weaker to (shield or armor fit) teach them about active and buffer tanking. Give them a few cheap frigs that use these different setups so they can experience where some shine and some do not. Explain to them how a gang works, the role that tacklers, anti-tackle, ewar, logi, and dps fill. Explain some of the ways different combinations of ships in a gang can take these things into account to avoid any large vulnerabilities. Teach them to take a ships bonus's into account for fitting, if your ship isn't bonused for what you are trying to do, there is probably a ship that is and will outperform all others.

Perhaps have some missions with a proper video briefing you can watch in your captains quarters on the couch, that shows you this stuff before you can undock and try the mission. Have a tutorial that explains concord/station and gate gun aggro/ high/low/null sec aggression mechanics, sec status, faction standings. Teach them about skill training, EFT, EVEMON. Explain some popular scams players use, warn them that players who trick them into giving all their isk away will not be punished whatsoever. Explain what a suicide gank is, and why it happens.

One of the biggest problems with new player retention in eve is that there are all these complex things to figure out, and high sec is full of moron corps who teach them how to make isk in the slowest ways possible, they have no idea how to pvp and teach them wrong, or just to avoid it all together.

Stop leaving people to figure out this stuff on their own through google or random assholes in space, you really need something in game that ACTUALLY TEACHES THEM USEFUL THINGS. It amazes me this game has been out for a decade and new players don't have amazing tutorials like this. Perhaps at the end of the PvP school tutorial, a list of Player run corps that are friendly to new players and are pvp focused can pop up on the screen.

I think of games like wing commander where you have that little face pop up on your overlay saying "hey do this now" as you go through the missions.

I don't really care what eve players think of what I'm saying, but not having things like this is why there isn't many times more players in eve. This could be a game millions play, if it was taught better and more accessible. The things I'm suggesting simply empower new players, it gives them what they need to get into eve, Knowledge.

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No, this is called the absolute worst idea I've ever read. Completely pointless and adds no actual game content.

If you want to add trophies, add NPC medals for every 1000 rats you've killed, or some other nonsense.

Everything can be a new form of item destruction. It doesn't imply it should be utterly useless.

Economics video from FanFest.

If the timestamp is working correctly (12:20 if it isn't) please note where Agent Missions stand on that graph, and where Bounties (which are highest in Null Sec and Incursions) stand.

Destruction doesn't remove much ISK from the game because the majority of what is being destroyed is being bought from players, not NPC's. It removes a lot of minerals from the game, and minerals are an investment in time, not ISK. The ISK does get washed through the tax system and is reduced in this manner but that is a smaller sink than Skills and the LP stores. The tax system sink is also padded heavily by activities that do not involve the destruction of hard goods, with the commodities and stock day traders who wash trillions of ISK through the tax system daily.

If you're going to claim that any suggestion you make is to improve the Economy of Eve, please have a basic understanding of that Economy first. And I mean BASIC....

Lets get past the ridiculousness of this idea and take the essence of the idea as a take away.

Industrial players need more high sec progression and the ability to better solo mine.

Personally I am all for it +1 to (orca size) caps in highsec that can chew up belts

+1 to another thread on this forum trying to get mining mechanic changed to a more active activity

-1 all highsec ships need to have the ability to move around even if they are pos bound as suggested. not being able to move locks a player into content that the player may get board of and then ggquit as well.

I personally choose option 1 "Needs to be harder to do"

That's why I made the reference to the other thread on this topic asking to make mining a more active activity.

But yes it doesent need to be balanced with risk/reward/effort



Edit:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=231014&find=unread

Is the thread about making mining more of an active activity