Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think you're understating the intelligence that can be gathered from an account-wide blocking functionality. No one, without an API or being CCP, should know which alts are linked by an account.

If someone is botting in Jita Local then the report function is available for you as recourse. I'm not sure why CCP has to code an account-wide blocking function for you if you are unable to right-click > Block on your own.

I'm also not sure what the parallel is between botting in Jita Local and non-EULA breaking posts on the forum. One is a violation of EVE's TOS and one, though personally irritating to you, isn't a violation unless a CCP employee finds it to be.

He's also technically wrong, ad hominem is avoiding an argument by attacking the person. That's different from this situation since player organizations and trolling are central to the discussion, so discussion of goon behavior is fair play.

I will take this as your concession as you have not brought up a new point and only wish to voice your outrage while continuing your boring ad homs. Maybe its an entitlement issue? NPC corporation members think they are entitled to troll the forums without any consequence to themselves and should there be a consequence they make another npc corporation member to continue the trolling.

No, it doesn't.

You state alliances and player corps can self moderate - you are presented with the argument that this does not work - indeed that your own alliance trolls and shiptoasts. So do many, it's not just your collective.

The fact is, your own alliance (irrespective of who it is) is undermining your point. How can you sit there and suggest that people will do something when the company you keep does not do that? As stated, it's not JUST your alliance guilty of this, but it does damage/invalidate the notion that you were arguing.

To suggest that point is goonspiracy and try to sweep it away is simply ridiculous. Playing the false victim here as opposed to countering the argument with a valid response just undermines it further.

Prove it. Because I know for a fact and can happily link examples all day, that extensive trolling is undergone by player corp members.

No corp is immune, save perhaps those who forbid members posting entirely.

Point is, the idea that player corps moderate is a pipe dream at best.

So let us eliminate 'goonspiracy' from this completely. Let's say a pandemic legion poster is trolling - what are you, I or indeed /anyone/ else going to do about it? Nothing. Furthermore I'd bet a sizeable sum that PL will do nothing too.



I'm afraid I'm going to require hard evidence of my postings being 'goonspiracy' in their 'majority' (personal attacks are all bit non-existent, and not through ISDs hands) unless I misread your post. If I did not, this should be good as I think I have actually agreed with your posters more than I have not - this thread excluded. Perhaps not, you see I cannot be certain as I rarely look at the corp of whom I'm talking to because despite what you'd like to have people believe I really don't care what flag you wave. I argue the point, not the person or their affiliation - I always have and always will. You should try it sometime, taking prejudice into a forum is not heathly.



Very late edit: don't see the point in a new post for this: I'd not have any objection to a limited number of posts per hour - whatever the limit is on a fresh character. People not badly spamming or trolling are unaffected, it would slow things right down and make people put more thought into their posts and removes all the collateral damage I had concerns about. Player corps still hold and advantage, but those who chose the life of NPCs simply need to choose their words carefully. Only hole might be biomass but if we lock that whilst a posting cool down is in effect that is solved.

So you're levelling unfounded and unsubstantiated allegations at me? Is that what it's gotten to? Given your inability to provide any sort of proof that the 'majority' of my postings are ad-hom attacks.

I appreciate being caught in a lie/bad set of assumptions is not convenient for you, but at least you could be big enough to admit you made a mistake.

The thing about refuting a point is one tends to need to provide evidence with that refuting. Go have a look at posts by "Fabulous Rod" (assuming ISD even left any alive) and let me know how that player corp moderating is working out.

I'm sorry, you do not get away with accusing me of derailing when you make a sweeping and patently false statement, are called on it and you descend to a personal attack or your old favourite retreat of "poor goons".

Calling you on flagrant falsehoods and point evasion is not derailing, doesn't matter how much you'd like it to be.

That your own corporation (as well as others, I point I've mentioned before but you have ignored as usual) trolls and shiptoasts is a) factually accurate and b) not a character assassination of your corp because it is flat out accurate.

It is simply a fact. A fact which undermines the notion that player corps self regulate as if this were the case, there would be less trolling than there already is by said player corps.

Your perpetual fall back to "goonspiracy" instead of actually tackling the point is entirely reminiscent of a small child sticking fingers in their ears and saying "lalalalala". I don't frequent general discussion, I don't keep up on the politics. I don't even know what the hell this goonspiracy business is all about - something my posting history will cleary show. As I said, I've glanced back and I'm actually in agreement with members of your corporation more than I am not.

Your stubborn refusal to deal with arguments with more than a snide "goonspiracy" remark is derailing your own thread.

I'm not rejecting it because of your affiliation, I'm rejecting that player corporations somehow self moderate because there are examples all over this forum that they do not. I'm rejecting it because it is demonstrably false.

That your own corporation also partakes in trolling and shiptoasting is slightly hilarious in the irony factor, but it's not about your corporation - it is the simple fact that player corps crap all over these forums as well.

Thus, your notion that they somehow "self moderate" is patently false.


Now, would you like to refute the statement "player corporations troll heavily too and thus it can be demonstrated that there is no effective self moderation imposed by said corporations - as evidenced by their repeated trolling and shiptoasting all over the forums" with something other than "goonspiracy"?

Nice try, but no dice. Now what did the bit in brackets right after your bold say? Furthermore, it is factually sound, it is no more "goonspiracy" than saying "goons control a vast swathe of nullsec". If what I'd posted was factually inaccurate or baseless, then yes it would be ad-hom and an invalid argument. Trouble is - it IS valid and it is directly related to the matter in hand - player corporations self moderating.


So again, would you like to refute the statement "player corporations troll heavily too and thus it can be demonstrated that there is no effective self moderation imposed by said corporations - as evidenced by their repeated trolling and shiptoasting all over the forums" with something other than "goonspiracy"?

I shall take that as your complete inability to refute the statement, good day sir.