Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And other concerns raised and swept side as collateral damage?

The excellent informational posts in the likes of missions and complexes?
The master link to EFT?
The fact that not even the tech support forum is excepted doesnt reek of ill thought through?
The utter absence of evidence that NPC players perform the most trolling in ALL subforums. Or indeed the absence of evidence entirely other than anecdotal opinions. I will concede GD is a sewer, but most of the foums I lurk around - ships and modules, missions and complexes, warfare and tactics are not particularly badly trolled at all and at best and even split by corp type.
That certain corps don't allow forum posts on mains outside of diplo contacts
The inescapable fact that for this to work, ISD need better tools and that with better tools this idea is redundant in terms of forum quality.

The OP doesnt care about any of this, he just wants NPC corps and lone players gagged - and has provided no evidence to support the blanket restrictions proposed even being needed in most sub forums. The responses are "grrrr goons", "goonspiracy" and "well, that's a shame but worth it" and that's about it.

However, I've said this before and it won't change anything.



Edit: @Gully Alex Foyle

It sometimes is, yes - but it's been wheeled out repeatedly in this thread in response to posts which are nothing of the sort in a dismissive manner in order to ignore the post/questions raised. Hell I've been repeatedly accused of "goonspiracy" as if I give a damn. Check my posting history, I've not (I dont believe) even mentioned the goons, much less negatively EVER on the forums - save this thread where I was accused of it. I simply question the idea and the motives and it's all "grr goons". It's utterly laughable, tbh

I have already suggested it

I agree, but there are numerous out there.


They are not mutually exclusive no, however with better tools there are literally no good reasons to stop people posting under whom they so choose as it makes no difference WHO they are - their point should be taken on merit - we should not reward people with multiple accounts in different places in the meta that is the forum. We get people to behave then we can keep good, solid, grown up conversations going and it matters not a damn what the ticker says. Better tools is all that is needed - none of the good items brought up would be lost and the approximately the same amount of trash would be removed. There is no need to toss out the baby with the bathwater. I appreciate that many don't care a damn about missions and complexes, or stoicfaux spreadsheets etc, but a great many DO and brushing that sort of thing aside as "unfortunate" is not right.

Heck I'll go ahead and add Chribba to the list of "collateral" damage, because he doesn't meet the criteria either.

Frankly I'd rather divorce the forums from in game avatars entirely so that no-one knows what corp is where unless it is volunteered information - thus killing any and all prejudices on this basis (ranging from "grrr goonspiracy" to "NPCiracy") instantly and like I keep saying - discussions had based on ideas and merits and poster based attacks eliminated.

This is directed at the opening post.
The idea sounds noble, and after reading a few times through, there are merits.

Consider this post as food of thought that is just being tossed in, so there is no real reason to defend your intention despite my opinion.

I still see holes though, which I would somewhere lean more over towards "nope" if my vote would ever have weight in EVE and forums (lol).

I will just throw in a few things:
- This doesn't really protect either from TrollyMcMain.
- Most of trolling comes from the general psyche of EVE's nation of a$$hat-ery. This is normal, and I somewhere recall "that's what makes EVE so special"
- Leave the workloads of the mods to themselves. If it were such a serious problem, it's up to CCP to take care of it, since "they" have the word. Blocking off a fraction of the spam nation (which imo comes more from those in corps) won't do anything.
Yes, them (NPC corp trolls) having no access to certain areas would help, but trolls are not only in NPC corps, and narrowing that fraction down won't do anything.


And even if you'd bring this idea through - If anything, you still have to consider what those who simply "don't want to be in corps" want. Just because you are in one doesn't mean they have to either.

I will cut myself short there.

Nonetheless.
I've been in corp/alliances for years and am just currently in one because I feel like. I don't think I require any restrictions to post at places just because I am currently in the NPC corp either. One restriction is already in place and it's the one to have an active account subscription.

If you or CCP wants to cut the spam and "bring more quality", then why not watch out for those who really spam and deal unnecessary damage to the forum culture and have CCP rip that brain stem out by giving them harsher forum bans and such?
That would be better and effective, because you'd ensure that those who are really just vile won't do it again for a while.

Yes, the forum mod team already maintains an oversight over forum actions, but I really think there should be a bit more of concordokken when it is legit.


I do not want to sound like a git, and I'm treading carefully here, but it is not rare to see corp/alliance members of Goons and others being alike the NPC folk you insist to block - and that is from my observations over all these years. I doubt one should be suggesting the blocking of big alliance corps either, so demanding denial for NPC corpies is not really worthwhile either.

I know you want quality forum, but I disagree that this will really help.

Say, if there were a suggestion or system that can actively work as a reputation/point-system which regulates forum area access, that would be something. Then again, systems can be abused, as it always has been in EVE.

Such requests need some careful scrutiny of CCP alone, like any other thread. The restriction of posting would be as big as "Remove Local/HiSec".

The OP's suggestion would only just be a drop of water on a hot rock, as they say in german.

Just food of thought.

@Vayn Baxtor - have a like for a constructive post.

@Cassius Invictus - do you have anything to add to the discussion other than Goonspiracy, a clear lack of having read the thread before posting and a sneaky troll in the form of point 3?

I do not like this idea.

Why should you, it's aimed at you.

I on the other hand think it's a great idea, there is far, far too much trolling that can be laid at the feet of NPC corp characters having posting privileges.

No there isn't, there's just as much if not more, from player corps. And this is the most troll free game forum in existence. We've been over this.

Which forums that suffer? I don't see one with a trolling problem. I see the general forum with low post quality and that's because its a general forum. That's what its there for, posting stuff that isn't really content. But its not trolling, its just non-content. And then there's the WH forum where ALL the trolling is by player corps and there's almost NO constructive posting or threads of any substance. Again, I'm seriously unimpressed with this concept.

You're posting in one of them. If I had my way F&I would be first on the list to ban NPC corp players from. They would only be able to post to stickied feedback threads.

*Snip* Please refrain from discussing forum moderation. ISD Ezwal.

This is called dictatorship... Only the proud few have something to say...... No freedom of speech my friend. You dont have to agree with a troll but you do have to scroll by their post....