Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Not only that, those trolling with an agenda would simple join TrollyMcTrollCorp™ and carry on regardless.

Unless ISD get bigger sticks, however the paradox here is that the with bigger sticks, we do not need the posting restrictions in the first place. Enacting it we gain nothing of value and lose a lot of useful stuff. Unless this is about more than trolling, in which case this is uncertain ground imo, although I thought we'd left that aside a number of pages ago but it seems to be hinted towards again.

I'd venture there is a very good chance that overall quality would decrease since trolls will remain and good contributors are silenced and don't care enough to side step it. It may have worked in a niche channel before but the likes of warfare and tactics, ships and modules, missions and complexes to name but a few, it would be far less effective and generally damaging.

Well, so far the measured sentiment trends towards allowing blockage by corp (and exceptions)* as well as enhanced moderation. Restricting people to one poster per account OR player (don't forget they are gathering up accounts for consolidation, I hope there's a reason) isn't causing all that much outrage. I'm not sure on account aliases as it would create problems with existing character names and create another level of impersonation etc.

I'd set up a badposting alliance no prob, but I'd charge for it, perma alt-dec it, and if anyone was dim enough to undock... yeh

The rest of the tinfoil nuts need to remember; some of us have been creatively insulting everyone we meet for years. They really don't bite unless you are juicy or relevant enough. Practice your innocent face. You're really not as important as you think you are, and if you've been ballgagged from responding to whatever dominant group, anytime, you're already being censored.

To challenge your assertion of failure, why hasn't CAOD failed then? My suggestion is literally expanding CAOD rules to all but, a select few forums.

Which I specifically account for in my suggestion I agree with you on this point. No paying customer should be denied a voice in the direction of the game hence the exception for F&I.

Or you could just ban the trolling account from posting. The idea of the OP has some merit because it would at the very least solve part of the problem but in the end, there is a better way to deal with the trolls without having to use a blanket approach. Anybody who troll because they want to would jump the few hoops to get in a trolling corp and we know it. Putting effort into something is what most EVE player do. Notice tho that the effort are always made toward their goal, not toward general stuff.

Everybody will do all the required effort but no a single ounce more to achieve what he wants. They will have entire division for catching spies, they will put time into thinking what is the best afk ship to use for task X, they will form out of game diplomatic agreement to cover for what the game cannot cope with, ... All of this should make you understand they won't stop trolling because they have to put their trolling alt into a player corp. Doing so is trivial. You don't even have to create one yourself, just look at all the corp currently recruiting and many of them won't even look for anything. This is even proven in the very thread by the OP when he confirm it is easy to get into corp because one of his career path is awoxing. What would prevent a troll from suing the same skillset to join a corp as La Nariz do but without the AWOX at the end because he wants to stay there as long as possible so he can troll for that much longer.

The guy joining corps to troll can be stopped just as easily as the guy still in an NPC corp. The way to stop both is common to both case. It's by forum moderation. When an account gets banned from posting because it trolled too much, the 3 slots on that account will be indefinately "burned". If he want to still troll, it will cost that player another account.

Are there player willing to troll at the cost of accounts? I cannot say for sure there are none. I've seen people spend money of ridiculous things so I guess $$$ to troll might be someone's idea of money well spent but I am pretty sure the number of people willing to create new account to troll is lesser than the amount of player willing to pay a few mill isk to create a new corp where they can park their trolling alts.

This is why I think the OP's suggestion is not a good way to handle trolls. While it might have some results, you can get better ones without having to make a blanket change.

I rather suspect we frequent different subforums. And it's not just NPCs, my comment is in regard to X active member min.

You are conflating trolling and npc/one man/Anon corps and you seem an intelligent individual so I'm leaning towards that being deliberate when in fact they are two very different issues.

Problem statement A: People are trolling forms
Problem statement B: People disagree with me and I cannot punish them for it.


Which is it? Because if it is "A", ISD is the first and only solution to that.

If it is "B", then that is a VERY different conversation.



There is no lean or slant towards anyones corp here, I think for the sakes of the thread, we need to be crystal clear as to what we're talking about because different people seem to be discussing different things ranging from troll cleanup to social engineering.

Edit: Please dont say XXXspiracy - I've said it beore and I'll say it again - dont care for your corp. I'd be making the same points if you belonged to "The Scope".

In a niche, essentially "IC" forum.

That's a very different state off affairs to most of the rest of the forum. Hell the trolling really isnt that bad in a lot of the places I frequent. 4/5 (from the top down) of the gameplay centre areas, for reference (maybe sci and indy is ok, wouldnt know, I dont go there)

The concensus seems to be that it'll not actually stop any trolling in any meaningful manner - so what exactly is the benefit?

You also admit it's BS because people can dodge it altogether. What's the point of implementing it if we know for a fact the REAL troll will just bypass it? Do you realise what it means? It means the very offender you want to limit are know to be able to bypass the measure you will implement to limit them. We might as well delete the whole forum so we can be sure there will be no trolling at all right? The fact that ISD have no power does not mean CCP can't give them more so they can actually clear this clusterfuck of a discussion board.

Other forums are better moderated than this place without having to create a second class of posters. There is no need to do that here.

Moderation has proven to work too. See somethingawful. Oh look, it's even where the OP is from. I wonder if his standard for quality posting comes from them and if yes, why doesn't he just want the same kind of moderation to be applied?

Relying on people to quote exceptional posts is hardly a reliable way to encounter quality.

Your second reply proves that my idea needs some work, which is why it was suggested for discussion.

Finally free speech trumps all other concerns.

Freedom of speech is not granted on privately owned medium. Better luck next time.