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Supercarrier changes are hilariously bad

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#21 - 2011-11-16 18:50:37 UTC
Chaos Incarnate wrote:
xxxak wrote:
The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.


if only there were ships capable of killing the mighty ibis solo

or, if only you could warp off or jump out instead of logging off

or, if only you could wait out your 15 minute aggression timer first

this horrible situation might not happen

mkint wrote:
That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.


I like provolone, american cheese is edible but only barely so


This. Provolone rules.

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Diosas
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-11-16 18:50:55 UTC
You are missing the point of the changes, it's also to give proper roles
Carriers = logistics + some defensive capabilities with no change to fighters
Dreads have been buffed so really these should go back being pos/building killers and also super killers
Super caps are cap killers and structure killers
Nothing stopping you from hot dropping at allyiu just can't hot drop sub caps , sorry maybe you should learn to pvp rather thinking you can drop on a small fleet with big toys!! And have no consequences!
Now you will actually have to think!
Best thing they did, should of went further!
Titans also now only can kill caps! Yes!
Stop whining cos you can't use an I win button anymOre
Rod Blaine
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#23 - 2011-11-16 18:51:16 UTC
Hi, 2003 player here, can fly all types of caps with damn decent skills, but won't touch 'em since flying them is sooooo daaaamn booooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnngggggggg i fall to sleep even think....zzzzzz


am i missing the end game?
Gregor Marethel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-11-16 18:52:00 UTC
Mozzarella is the best cheese of all, although I currently crave a grilled cheese sandwich of pepper jack on pumpernickel.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#25 - 2011-11-16 18:52:34 UTC
I like provolone but for some reason the stuff provided by the resturant is much better than any of my local deli stores has i dunno why.

Swiss has always been a mixed bag as well, some of the stuff is like ultra sharp and others ultra smooth.

And i for one abhor blue cheese on my salad.
On the other hand had some of it on a hot dog recently where it wasnt as bad.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-11-16 19:04:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
xxxak wrote:
However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE.


Supercaps are not everyone's end-game. Flying a slow ship that requires you to multibox, isn't immediately replaceable in the event that you meet its destruction, gets you watchlisted by half of EVE the first time it shows up in a killmail, and is absolutely screwed when it meets a bubble isn't a terribly exciting prospect for a lot of us.

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Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#27 - 2011-11-16 19:06:16 UTC
Depends on what I'm eating. Any sort of pasta, I love mozzarella. Especially the fresh stuff, nothing better. Parmesean as well. Provolone is good on sandwiches. At my grocery store they have this horseradish cheddar which is fantastic.

At OP: I suppose you think the change to Titan DDs, that they can only be used on Caps (And freighters) is a bad thing? I mean, seriously. Oh noes, I can't hot drop in my super carrier, whatever will I do! I don't know, maybe get in a smaller ******* ship?
Spectre80
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-11-16 19:10:22 UTC
Death to all supercapitals.
Jerek Mothas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-11-16 19:15:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerek Mothas
Supercarriers are not supposed to be solo ships. That is all.

On a side note, I love to eat a large-ish chunk of cheddar now and again. Mozzarella sticks are wonderful. And parmesan is the best thing ever put onto pasta. I bless the man who first thought of it.

MAJOR EDIT: I CAN'T BELIEVE I forgot to mention cottage cheese. The best thing ever. Period. Except pepperoni.

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InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-11-16 19:17:51 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
I like provolone but for some reason the stuff provided by the resturant is much better than any of my local deli stores has i dunno why.

Swiss has always been a mixed bag as well, some of the stuff is like ultra sharp and others ultra smooth.

And i for one abhor blue cheese on my salad.
On the other hand had some of it on a hot dog recently where it wasnt as bad.



Nova, you have been "good day sir"-ed. you must abide by the rules of international conversationalism.

Velveeta...blegh.

give me fontina or give me some other delicious REAL cheese.

fondue would also be acceptable.
xxxak
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-11-16 19:18:01 UTC
TROLOLOLOLOL

But seri0us, I am mad, bro.

[u]The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run.[/u]

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2011-11-16 19:19:27 UTC
xxxak wrote:
However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE.
No. They just balanced what you have chosen to define as the end of your game. They rather buffed my end-game.
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-11-16 19:21:47 UTC
Oh, for cheese... Grouda = good. Havarti and a nice sharp cheddar are also great.

http://alouettecheese.com/products/limited-edition-cheesecake-spreadable-cheese.aspx is FANTASTIC on graham crackers..
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2011-11-16 19:22:49 UTC
xxxak wrote:
TROLOLOLOLOL

But seri0us, I am mad, bro.


You put way too much effort into this troll.
0/10 trollpoints.
Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#35 - 2011-11-16 19:25:21 UTC
xxxak wrote:
The changes do nothing to address the issue of super-blobbing. By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable.


Good. Super Capitals are not solo PvP Ships. The fact that a solo unsupported Super Cap. woul die in a fire is an improvement to the game.

I look forward to seeing the first report of an Alliance that drops 20-30 SuperCaps in without appropriate Conventional Support, thats runs into a large group of Conventionals.

Hopefully, we won;t face any more "they dropped 5 SuperCaps, now our fleet of 100 Conventionals must run and hide, because we can;t even touch them, and they can pop us easy".

And if this fix doesn;t do that, then the next round of fixes hopefully will.

Quote:
The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.


The same as any group who tries to use a small amount of Conventionals will get blobbed by a huge amount of conventionals back in the day, and only a few Alliances/NAPs could put forth 1,000 man Conventional Fleets?

Human Nature is human nature, blobbing wins, so humans will do it. The fact that real war throughout history also had blobbing is just icing on the top on the argument.

Until CCP can create a mechanic that makes blobbign less effective than non-blobbing, blobbing is the the way of things, generally.

After all, there should be a reward for those who can manage and control the largest number fo people in a Space Politics Simulator, shouldn't there?

And just FYI, I'm in a small Cap-weak Alliance myself.


Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.

Quote:
Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less


A win in my book.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#36 - 2011-11-16 19:31:07 UTC
Colby Jack count?

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Dorkus Americanus
Slackjawed Idiots
#37 - 2011-11-16 19:31:49 UTC
I concur... Provolone cheese is awesome. And what's funny about American Cheese is it was actually invented in Switzerland, but Kraft got the patent on it first. Blink
InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-11-16 19:32:06 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Colby Jack count?




you win this round
Daedalus Arcova
The Scope
#39 - 2011-11-16 19:32:30 UTC
xxxak wrote:
TROLOLOLOLOL

But seri0us, I am mad, bro.


GTFO! You're not getting out of being flamed to hell for being a whiny little ***** that easily. That was no troll. FFS you even make the same (bullshit) point in your sig.
thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2011-11-16 19:34:45 UTC  |  Edited by: thoth rothschild
definitly gauda or mozarella
I also really like tokajer to my cheese :D