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Supercarrier changes are hilariously bad
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xxxak
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-16 18:11:23 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxak
CCP has proven yet again that they are no better than other modern game corporations, lurching forward without any finesse or sense of elegance.

The changes to Supercarriers, which now are nearly set in stone, are hilariously bad.

The changes do nothing to address the issue of super-blobbing. By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable. The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.

Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.

The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.

Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse.

Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less. On some level, this is not a bad thing. Personally, I might advocate for the total removal of Supers from the game. However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE. Oh, and for all of you who claim that EVE is a sandbox with no end game, go take a basic psychology class at your local community college. Pathetic.

I, for one, hope my tears, at least, fuel you in your future journeys. I expect that by this time next year CCP will be a tattered corpse lying in a gutter by the access road.

TL;DR -- the new changes do nothing to reduce supercap blobbing, and in fact just make super pilots wants to get into bigger mega blobs. CCP fails and proves itself to be a dumb blunt-minded brute.

[u]The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run.[/u]
mkint
#2 - 2011-11-16 18:14:29 UTC
Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.

That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#3 - 2011-11-16 18:15:12 UTC
You're complaining about more people dying? wtf is the world comming to?

I passed basic phyc the only end game there is the one you set for yourself.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#4 - 2011-11-16 18:16:14 UTC
mkint wrote:
Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.

That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.



I like velveta cheese for some reason, Its supposed to be cheddar but the way it melts and gooey and the sorts just make it far superior to most other cheddars i know of.

Also american cheese isnt a real cheese is a cheese byproduct.

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xxxak
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-16 18:16:24 UTC
mkint wrote:
Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.

That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.


I don't think I am insulting most forum-dwelling fatbodies. I think I am insulting CCP... but correct me if I am wrong.. :p

[u]The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run.[/u]
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-11-16 18:16:51 UTC
tl;dr - OP has no idea what they are talking about, doesn't read dev blogs, and doesn't read other parts of the forum.

Seriously though... CCP's changes aren't forcing bigger supercap blobs. They are forcing supercaps to require a *fleet* of support. Supercaps aren't designed to OMGWTFBBQ rats or subcaps. They are designed to be anti-capital ships.

Y'all are welcome to make bigger supercap blobs - gives us more targets to shoot in our new BCs.
Minister of Death
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-11-16 18:18:16 UTC
it's about cheese now?

one word: HAVARTI
Vmir Gallahasen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-11-16 18:20:45 UTC
xxxak wrote:
Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.

That sounds like Mission Accomplished to me. Alliance tool should be used for alliance stuff and not hotdropping a bc in lowsec

xxxak wrote:
The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.

Not really. Your support fleet should take care of that no problem. The original point of the aggression timer/ship stays in space was to prevent people from logging in combat to escape defeat. EHP of SCs allowed them to do exactly that. Loophole closed. What's ridiculous is that it stayed in for as long as it has

xxxak wrote:
Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse.

Maybe it will. In which case the changes still aren't enough. I'm an advocate of removing their RR personally. We've got carriers to do that, Capital gank ships shouldn't be filling a logistical role now that they aren't motherships any more.
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-11-16 18:21:14 UTC
I was having a rough day. Thank you for posting this i am now laughing and basking in your rage.

All the things you think are a problem I am very happy with. I am glad super owners are pissed and i hope you all leave the game so we can have fun pvp again.

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-16 18:24:16 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
mkint wrote:
Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.

That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.



I like velveta cheese for some reason, Its supposed to be cheddar but the way it melts and gooey and the sorts just make it far superior to most other cheddars i know of.

Also american cheese isnt a real cheese is a cheese byproduct.


Velveeta?!? VELVEETA?!?

You sir are no longer allowed to have cheese. or you can have blue cheese only.

good day sir!
mkint
#11 - 2011-11-16 18:30:37 UTC
InVictus Kell wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
mkint wrote:
Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.

That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.



I like velveta cheese for some reason, Its supposed to be cheddar but the way it melts and gooey and the sorts just make it far superior to most other cheddars i know of.

Also american cheese isnt a real cheese is a cheese byproduct.


Velveeta?!? VELVEETA?!?

You sir are no longer allowed to have cheese. or you can have blue cheese only.

good day sir!

Velveeta has a high fat content and lots of emulsifiers which makes it melt down better without having to try to stabilize it. Yeah, it doesn't have the nuanced flavor of real cheeses, but as a dirty indulgence it's fine.

Same with "American" cheeses. I say Meunster is what real American cheese should have been. And bleu cheese is awesome in the right circumstances... hot wings anyone?

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Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#12 - 2011-11-16 18:31:03 UTC
Zagam wrote:


Seriously though... CCP's changes aren't forcing bigger supercap blobs. They are forcing supercaps to require a *fleet* of support. Supercaps aren't designed to OMGWTFBBQ rats or subcaps. They are designed to be anti-capital ships.


Indeed.

Not even in real-world navies do aircraft carriers operate without some kind of support, whether from the aircraft they carry with them or from other smaller ships in the fleet. Because of their immense size and relatively low moblity, and the fact that most of their guns are designed for long-range bombardment, rather than anti-aircraft fire, operating without support is pretty much suicide.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#13 - 2011-11-16 18:34:59 UTC
Minister of Death wrote:
it's about cheese now?

one word: HAVARTI


Havarti, absolutely. A fine cheese, that one.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-11-16 18:40:48 UTC
Minister of Death wrote:
it's about cheese now?

one word: HAVARTI


i see your HAVARTI and raise you a HALOUMI

Cool

also, OP cry mroe about your win button beign removed, also, there is no end game

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-11-16 18:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiwha
Small and solo supers are perfectly viable, they just need a subcap support fleet. That's how they're supposed to work.


Ninja edit: I'm also a provolone man myself.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
#16 - 2011-11-16 18:42:23 UTC
xxxak wrote:
The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.


if only there were ships capable of killing the mighty ibis solo

or, if only you could warp off or jump out instead of logging off

or, if only you could wait out your 15 minute aggression timer first

this horrible situation might not happen

mkint wrote:
That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.


I like provolone, american cheese is edible but only barely so
Ghoest
#17 - 2011-11-16 18:46:21 UTC
So when you say " hilariously bad" you mean " totally awesome"?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-11-16 18:47:50 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
aircraft carriers [...] and the fact that most of their guns are designed for long-range bombardment


what

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-11-16 18:48:14 UTC
I dont think you should post anymore.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Daedalus Arcova
The Scope
#20 - 2011-11-16 18:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Daedalus Arcova
xxxak wrote:
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! MY SOLOPWNMACHINE IS BROKENENEN!


HTFU. Wasn't that what you superc***s used to say when anyone pointed out that supercaps were ruining the game?
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