Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I read somewhere, that, according to CCP statistic, 50 % of new accounts stop playing after their first month. I am talking only about accounts, that were subscribed. The rest of subscribers play mostly solo, with only 5 to 10 % using voice communication and flying actively in groups. Apparently majority of players do PvE stuff.

So, from my point of view, instead of tweaking warp speed rigs or dreadnoughts signature, CCP should find the way how to make solo activity in high sec more interesting. Cause reason of new players leaving the game is old players, booling them in low sec.

Suggestion: make several mini incursions available for each account only once in the life time of the whole account. They must be in high sec, must be more rewarding and close to PvP, than usual security missions. They must be leveled so, that low level will be do-able with low skill char.

SoE Epic arch could be an example, if it would not be so full of boring distribution missions. Make some good short CONCORD pew pew action missons vs NPC with AI, close to players one. Put well written story line behind them, like saving ppl from abandoned station, hacking aincent artifact (first shoot, then hack mini game) etc...

TL;DR : game needs more PVE missions much more, than starbase or ship tweaks. Newbees are not ready for PvP and get slaughtered by losers in low sec without possibility even to shot back. Give them more room for entertaining in high sec and they will stay in game to join PvP later on.

P.S. I really do not understand where is the problem with adding new missions. Make EVE universe bigger (additional low sec systems between 4 factions area or open Jovian space) or adding new ships can cause perfomance issues. But simple adding more missions should not cost any additional load and will helps a lot.

stopped reading right there.

Blizzard already has a significant chunk of this market, and it's far too late for CCP to be trying to move in on it.

Yes, and I am talking here how to more people into this "PvP centric MMO". Many start with PvE and big part of them will stay here to PvP later, when they get competitive skills. But with "particularly bad" PvE they go away sooner, than they understand the game...

Most skills for PvE are usefull in PvP. I do not mean experience. I mean in-game skills. If you can not fit proper modules, all your experience can do is prevent you from going into fight you can not win. So you are limited in PvP for quite a big degree.

Anyway, I do not see "counter suggestion" in your post. Half of newcomers leaves Eve after their first month in game and I believe CCP can do something about it without additional payload on hardware. Better suggestions?

really, "player skills" learned in PVE (fitting or whatever) are about as useful in PVP as learning the basics of Chess ... and then playing a grand master.

Now, incursions have helped in this regard a little (omni damage, you need to work as a team) ... but it's still lacking.

Best way to learn PvP is to get out there and do it.

I see Eve online as ultimate space simulator. And many other "tourists" do so. Ignoring pig part of community for the sake of few thousands of really active PvP players is a big mistake, IMHO. Many newbees want first to explore this world full of stars and first after that they will try PvP. Maybe. But forcing them into PvP from the very first month is way how to lose them.

In my latest proposal concerning substantional remaking of corporate mechanics I've also came up with idea of a new type of agent's missions to which only members of one corp have access. They are based on "capital escalation" WH mechanics and scale up to the actual size of your gang, both in terms of difficulty AND profit for each participant. They are also have some rudiment protection against multiboxing. The idea is to give incentive to players to gather in bigger corps even in highs and allow them to compensate rising risks (that will be awoxing and wardecs) with 20 to 50% more profits from this collective oriented missions. You can follow it here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=344554 Note, that it's currently under huge remastering, as the concept undergone substantional changes, I'll try to deliver new one in a day or two (I hope I'll make it)

Solo part of the game are obviously needed. But there ar two problem with Eve regarding group PvE:
1) PvE is a crap. A boring and "no brain requierd" one. Aside from specific cases, of course, like WH soloing or soloplexing in nulls.
2) The game hardly rewards for collective playstile in highsecs (in nulls and lows it's moslty needed to survive, but not in highs). It's more risk, but no tangible reward. And even in nulls they more oftenly prefer to multibox hard plexes than to do it in group - because PvE is a crap and you can just hang in grid plummering red crosses with missiles and healing yourself with an alt - thats about all the skills needed.

This is not enough. It still comes down to "EFT resolved battles" - "Will I be able to tank it or not? And what if I will add some logistic alt to the grid?". We need an aditional design tweaks which will force players a) to simultaneously do some slighly different tasks no one of each are doable by one man in two windows (be it minigames or interactions with something through GUI) b) to simultaneously engage enemies while being in different pockets or being separated by huge distances, enforced by some kind of timeframe you have to keep to (so by creating only one such "fork" we will make multiboxing substantionnaly more daunting task - it will need twice as more windows - and will probably require at least two multiboxers to cooperate)

Of course, this bit only concerns group type missions, which should offer much more generous reward to its participants. The old style solo missions will be quite fond with just randomization you are talking about.

Concord does not enforce the law, just keep in force some specific treaties. There is an NPC police in the game.