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No, we established that more bots were banned in highsec according to the data CCP presented in their FanFest 2014 presentation. You're applying a statistical syllogism, in that you're arguing because more bots are banned in high sec, more bots MUST be active in high sec. While this is probably true, CCP has never stated that the number of banned bots is indicative of the number of active bots. Due to this, you cannot argue that they have.

From the looking that I've done, bots designed to operate in EvE Online are designed to operate in EvE Online. I've never actually used a bot in EvE Online, however, so if you have I'm willing to defer to your experience.

How dare you suggest a botting problem in grorius null donut, the real problem is highsec mining bots and multiboxes!

Why the hell does every argument in this forum always come back to Grr Goons?

Can we just all agree that botting is bad, period?

It doesn't matter if your in blue sec, low sec, or care-bear island If you get caught botting, you lose all your stuff and catch a rather lengthy suspension. I don't care if your in goons, or the loli-pop guild if you bot, GTFO of my EVE, we don't want you here.

Also, there is a difference between AFK play, and botting. Just because you throw sentries out change to aggressive and cut the lawn in a cap stable double rep domi doesn't mean he is botting. It just means that current game mechanics allows him to do so. These are the type of people who pad our killboards... Why nerf it?

If you don't know what constitues 'smacktalk', which can be done ingame or on the forums, you really shouldn't be posting on an Eve-related forum. And I'd suggest a careful read of the forum rules, with particular attention given to 2,3,4,5,6,22,31 because you appear to be breaking all of them. Aside from the fact you are arguing from a position that is uninformed and biased, being condescending and rude towards those who contradict you really doesn't help. Constantly accusing other people of 'being upset or confused' pretty much translates as 'u mad bro/u seem mad' and is offensive enough to get people perma banned on player run Eve forums. So knock it off.


His age is irrelevant, and comments like that make you look far from mature yourself.


Well said. In all fairness look at the title of this thread. It's pretty much a troll topic. The nullsec tinfoil brigade are the ones displaying real ignorance and bias, yet again reaching for any topic to grrr about. For some reason it's offensive to highsec players to point out the majority of bans take place in their space, despite the obvious benefits of running bots there, and they feel compelled to try to defend a demographic of people they don't actually interract with all that much. And find it strange that corps and alliances not only defend their members, but reject the idea of sustained alliance-wide botting.

Its CCPs own numbers...

If a null-sec player bots in hi-sec, does the botter count towards the hi-sec or the null-sec total?

No, I'm more than willing to accept the fact that more bots are banned in high sec than any place else. The problem is that your confusing fact with conjecture.

The fact is that there was no information given at FanFest about how many bots are active in any one area of space.

The conjecture is that because more bots were banned in high sec, CCP is saying more botting occurs in high sec.

While it is a reasonable guess for you or I to make that more botting occurs in high sec due to the number of bots that were banned there, it is not a fact. There is also the issue that the number of banned bots might not reflect the number of active bots at all due to the possibility that CCP utilizes the inefficient and backward anti-botting system that you've been arguing for. If CCP were to be looking at high sec 80% of the time, and looking at low, null and wormholes only 20% of the time, it is possible that while they caught 80% or more of the bots in high sec, they may have missed 80% or more of the bots in other sec statuses.

Now, thankfully, I find it to be quite unlikely that CCP would actually use such an unintelligent and lopsided method for dealing with bots, so it's more likely that they are catching bots based upon more reasonable, efficient and intelligent methods. By doing so, they are likely catching as many bots as they can across all of New Eden, and not mostly catching bots in high sec while leaving most bots in null sec alone like you want.

This has been what I've been trying to get across to you this entire thread. It makes no sense to advocate for CCP to stop catching bots, and to start only catching high sec bots. It makes no sense that CCP would not look for bots across all of New Eden, and instead would look for bots in high sec from 1AM to 7PM and then switch to looking at low, null and wormholes from 7PM to 1AM. Nor does it make sense for them to look at Caldari high sec more than other areas of high sec, while still only looking at low, null and wormholes a fraction of the time. These methods would lead to CCP being forced to constantly play catch up, as botters would move out of the areas where CCP is focusing their attention and into the areas where CCP is less likely to detect them.

If CCP were forced to play catch up, by using your preferred method of bot detection, like this then bots would be able to almost always stay ahead of them and CCP would be wasting most of their time, energy and other resources trying to find bots instead of using that time, energy and other resources to enforce their anti-botting policies. Where bots are banned is of no consequence, since bots(just like players) can easily move to another area. The location of a bot when it was banned makes for interesting statistics, and can be used by people like you to argue high sec is bad(mm'kay?), but it should never have any bearing on how CCP detects bots.

if he's a null sec player, he won't be in high sec to bot.

your question makes no sense.