Wormholes

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Look I said this before early on in the thread and I'll reiterate it. The more things FROM K space you ask for the more LIKE K space you give CCP a license to implement. It won't be long before null alliances start to rebalance the equation and we end up with these kinds of proposals backfiring into new talks over mass stabilizers and God only knows what else and it all goes to hell.
As for bearing yes, I make no apologies for providing anyone who fights me with a richer target.

I didn't say I did, I said I can. I fly shield ships with Slaves in or whatever the hell else I like because I would rather take a fight than not take it because I am too precious to but yeah, I HAVE ripped +5's out and replaced with HG slaves if a cap was called for in the past and would do it again if it came to it.
As for validity I don't see how any perspective no matter how skewed in your eyes cannot be pertinent or considered valid considered the radical change being suggested.

Being nice about it because you definitely seem to offer valid arguments ( not a troll ) risk aversed is risk aversed. I don't see making such a K to W space inroad will offer enough content to justify the genuine fears I expressed above. Make no mistake, Null have been looking for a way to make W space more effectively invadable despite Mitten's claims to the contrary (in fact when that guy is emphatic about anything you can guarantee he's going the other way) and the more we demand the comforts of K the more they'll claim access to J. Besides this I really honestly and from the heart would love to see the devs left alone to fix what is broken before we go full tilt onto something else new for W space. Fix poses (completely), fix caldari ships from pos shield problem, fix black holes etc etc.
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No there's no confusion here at all. I wasn't talking about jumping FROM K to W or vice-versa either. Look on your the bottom of your shoes, add the two numbers together and garner your IQ, then reread what I posted.
I was referring to what is a K space MECHANIC (the ability to clone jump to and from rorqs) into W space and the ramifications of that. If you start moving K space mechanics into W space then don't be surprised when K space residents want the things to do with W space that they have been asking for ie. stabilizers etc.

Seriously though, I am too busy bearing for my imps to keep acting as special needs adviser to you. Have someone else from SSC explain it to you.

You are so full of b*ullshit it's not even funny! Generalizing all ideas like a simpleton and lying through your teeth. I bid you fair well o7!

For the most part i agree with you that the mechanics/features of wormhole space are pretty good but there are little things like clone swapping that could greatly improve the experience.

We now have the ability to swap subsystems, secure our stuff using personal hangers, store pos passwords and use a capital SMA (broken or not) and i personally think wormhole space is better for it. I feel that clone swapping could be a similar positive change for w-space.

+1 to this. i think that if we could change clones it would seriously increase the variety of pvp u see in wormholes. pls do it

I agree that jumping to hisec is a minor anoyance. However, don't try to trivialize it like this. Unless you can always get an exit into the system where you have the correct clone, it will be far more than 3-5 jumps on average.

Just because you can get to a hisec system easily, doesn't mean you can get to a particular hisec system easily.


"You have not because you ask not". CCP is already (well) aware of POS shortcomings and is working on them. By contrast, this is something CCP may not have thought about recently, or perhaps people requesting it may have a new approach that CCP had not previously considered that might change their decision. Or perhaps the tech limiting their decisions in the past have been overcome and thus the decisions can be re-evaluated.

This is something that would make WH life better for those who choose to use it. It will also increase risk for those who choose to use it. Is it essential? No. But many "quality of life" improvements are typically not essential either. However once you have many of them, it's hard to remember how you lived without them.

Besides, I'd rather occupy CCP's time with suggestions like this than give them too much free time to bless us with things like the tooltips for all things (which hopefully they'll be iterating upon for increased control over what we see).

You don't even.... 3-5 jumps yeah to get to K then the way back with the new clone you reckon it will still only be 3-5 jumps?

Never said I won't fly anything else I just said I won't shotgun null in a saber with a clone that's worth billions. And I'm not suggesting I'm telling you that flexibility is a desirable perk.

What logic ???

If you don't care for such a mechanic nobody will force it upon you. If you don't like bacon you can stick to your roots but why are you so upset with me asking for bacon?

Your time you can spend it where ever you feel the need. Same goes with my time .

massive +1 to this. I only see it generating more content for those in w-space, as people will be able/more willing to try new doctrines outside of their HG slave/talisman clones. (call it risk averse, I call you rich and stupid). I stopped flying my dread clones 'cus I like to have downtime in nullsec when it's off peak hours for w-space stuff, this is sensible, not risk averse (we can agree to disagree here, we view the game differently - trolling will be ignored).

you CAN do many things in this game, as it allows you. many people CHOOSE not to, because it's ********. keeping spare sets of slaves/crystals to rip out and put back in on a whim is as you say possible, but likely done by all 0.1% of the W-space population, if that (which is a mighty '**** all', incase you missed it).

What is being proposed would generate content (get those 'risk averse' people out more), provide a use for a ship which is about to become even MORE useless (hi rorq) and would allow for a SELECT FEW high cost clones to be kept in w-space, as added forms of loot or isk destroyed. Hey, you could even ransom those stupid carebears for even MORE money (but less content, right?) You couldn't access them anyway unless the rorq pilots were online, so it's not like it's available 24/7, unless people buy more rorq toons...or more rorquals...which means more stuff to blow up :)

I dunno about you, but more loot pinatas in w-space is a good thing :) and will definitely create more content by people being willing to fly more varied doctrines IN and OUT of wormholes. It'd need to be subject to same cooldowns as other JC's - or even have an added timer to show the more strenuous process of clone jumping inside the same, remote system?

Add more caveats, make it tougher, but I don't think it's a bad idea for 'risk averse' people. I think you're just being old, bitter & a bit elitist :) which is alot coming from me I might add.

People once used to say "just buy more T3's, they weren't supposed to be refit out here 'cus it's dangerous and unknown" and look at it now. Has it broken our eve? has it opened the flood gates for CCP to do whatever they want with W-space? No. They will do whatever they want whether we like it or not, as is evident with sig changes and api data.

This is not about making life in WH's easy - we've adapted to the hardest place to live in the game, so who's to say we can't ~adapt~ one of the crappiest ships in the game, into something useful?