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Help With Amarr PvP Fit
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Blodwynn Noudh
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-11-16 16:32:12 UTC
I'm a recently returning player hired on by the small mining and salvage corp Bollinger Industries. I'm writing this post soliciting help with a ship/fit because I've been out of the loop for a few years. I have plenty of experience with piloting and the ins and outs of PvP and what-have-you. My issue is all the updates and patches and expansions.

What I want to know is this: What is the "best" Amarrian ship/fit given the following context.

o Providing solo security for small mining ops.
o Flying mostly high-sec, some higher-end lowsec.
o Would PREFER to stick to frigates as I find flying around really fast makes me cackle with insane glee.
-This is not necessary, I will fly any class of ship that is deemed suitable for the task.
o Needs to be able to take down rats well-enough.
o Needs to be able to keep my employers from losing too many Hulks because they have no/bad security.

Thanking you in advance. I just need recommendations and input on ships/fits. I'll handle any relevant/requisite skill training. If you have any questions or need any more information, let me know.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#2 - 2011-11-16 17:46:03 UTC
I would suggest punisher with auto cannons as the best frig for pvp. The point is, you can't stop someone suicide ganking your miners and if they had declared war on your corp its not a good idea to mine.

P.s: mentioning your corp name along with a fact that you have many miners is asking to be ganked.
Blodwynn Noudh
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-11-16 18:00:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Blodwynn Noudh
Kaanchana wrote:
I would suggest punisher with auto cannons as the best frig for pvp. The point is, you can't stop someone suicide ganking your miners and if they had declared war on your corp its not a good idea to mine.

P.s: mentioning your corp name along with a fact that you have many miners is asking to be ganked.



My corp name is right under my picture if I mention it or not and the boss doesn't have a lot of miners, the miners are just the main folks I'm assigned to for security details.

But thank you for the input. That's essentially where I was leaning. Any ideas on a full fit?
Hero Tackler
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-11-16 19:24:40 UTC
Blodwynn Noudh wrote:
Kaanchana wrote:
I would suggest punisher with auto cannons as the best frig for pvp. The point is, you can't stop someone suicide ganking your miners and if they had declared war on your corp its not a good idea to mine.

P.s: mentioning your corp name along with a fact that you have many miners is asking to be ganked.



My corp name is right under my picture if I mention it or not and the boss doesn't have a lot of miners, the miners are just the main folks I'm assigned to for security details.

But thank you for the input. That's essentially where I was leaning. Any ideas on a full fit?


A Punisher would be one-shot by anything that can gank a Hulk, I would look at the assault frigate: Vengeance and the Interceptor: Malediction

More meta than you
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-16 19:30:02 UTC
Hero Tackler wrote:
Blodwynn Noudh wrote:
Kaanchana wrote:
I would suggest punisher with auto cannons as the best frig for pvp. The point is, you can't stop someone suicide ganking your miners and if they had declared war on your corp its not a good idea to mine.

P.s: mentioning your corp name along with a fact that you have many miners is asking to be ganked.



My corp name is right under my picture if I mention it or not and the boss doesn't have a lot of miners, the miners are just the main folks I'm assigned to for security details.

But thank you for the input. That's essentially where I was leaning. Any ideas on a full fit?


A Punisher would be one-shot by anything that can gank a Hulk, I would look at the assault frigate: Vengeance and the Interceptor: Malediction


As long as you're just trying to drive people away, a vengance is great. No point, but she takes a beating and kicks teeth in.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#6 - 2011-11-16 19:30:48 UTC
As everyone has said you wont be bale to stop a suicide gank in high sec. if all you're doing is killing rats, for for a Retribution!
Blodwynn Noudh
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-11-16 19:31:46 UTC
While I am a big gun kind of girl, I do appreciate speed. Either way, the Malediction seems like a sexy choice. What sort of set-up would best suit the context? Most my my experience comes from fleet warfare, so the solo thing is a bit of a new animal to me.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-16 19:31:53 UTC
The only thing i can think of is the Archon, which, in itself is quite an investment and a risk. I mean, think about what you asking an amarr ship to do.

You NEED to be able to KILL anything that lands near the hulks before the hulks die. This is not going to happen in 99% of the cases. A frig/cruiser and higher could probably all point and kill a hulk before you had time to down it (maybe).

If your not going to kill the offenders, then you need something they don't want to mess with, which in some cases is a carrier. Other than that you would need to go ECM (which isn't amarr and will give you problems if your planning to mine for an extended period of time).

All in all, there are better ways to protect your mates if they want to mine in dangerous territory. I suggest exploring idea in cheap barges until you find something that works. I would make some suggestions, but i would rather ransom your boats when you get this off the ground first.

GL

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Blodwynn Noudh
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-11-16 19:50:56 UTC
Would it better entertain my interests to fly Caldari ewar?
Cpt Arareb
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-11-16 20:17:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Arareb
well the prob with the caldari ewar is that they try gank the hulk with what? amarr cal min or galente? to cover them all you need all 4 racial ECM and they will have more then 1 ship to kill the hulk, on the other hand if you try this go for a ECM bonus ship and stay on range so you dont get instapop, and again this probly will not work.Oops but then again if they use standart destroyers for ganking you might get a good chance of ECM them with multiexpectrals in a bonus ECM ship
Blodwynn Noudh
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-11-16 20:43:00 UTC
You are all providing me with great advice, but allow me to add this:

I don't have to kill anything that attacks except maybe NPCs. My job is only to make certain the worker bees don't lose their boats. If I could provide a way for them to safely escape, that would work out just as well and I still get paid. Even if I run disposable ships to give enough time for the miners to get out means me staying until the end. Obviously that isn't the prefered option, but i'm essentially taking any and all advice.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-16 20:57:12 UTC
Blodwynn Noudh wrote:
You are all providing me with great advice, but allow me to add this:

I don't have to kill anything that attacks except maybe NPCs. My job is only to make certain the worker bees don't lose their boats. If I could provide a way for them to safely escape, that would work out just as well and I still get paid. Even if I run disposable ships to give enough time for the miners to get out means me staying until the end. Obviously that isn't the prefered option, but i'm essentially taking any and all advice.


Are you talking about protecting high sec miners from gankers and take care of the frig rats? If so, get in a BB until you can use a falcon.

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Blodwynn Noudh
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-16 21:01:51 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:
Blodwynn Noudh wrote:
You are all providing me with great advice, but allow me to add this:

I don't have to kill anything that attacks except maybe NPCs. My job is only to make certain the worker bees don't lose their boats. If I could provide a way for them to safely escape, that would work out just as well and I still get paid. Even if I run disposable ships to give enough time for the miners to get out means me staying until the end. Obviously that isn't the prefered option, but i'm essentially taking any and all advice.


Are you talking about protecting high sec miners from gankers and take care of the frig rats? If so, get in a BB until you can use a falcon.


Absolutely correct. Thank you.
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#14 - 2011-11-16 21:14:03 UTC
Coercer:
8x Dual Light Pulse II
MWD
Suitcase II, 3x Heatsink II

Kills anything highsec throws at it before the rats can even yellowbox. Add a flight of light armour bots to one of your charges in case of "missing one".
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-11-16 21:52:09 UTC
Fly a Curse.
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#16 - 2011-11-16 22:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamiya Sarossa
You're never going to kill something attacking a Hulk before it kills the Hulk - thus ECM is the correct answer, jamming them is the only way your miner is going to live. Of course he'll probably be alphaed before you can respond, which is why protecting miners is generally fruitless in the first place, but Falcon/Blackbird are your best hope at a losing game.

EDIT: If you actually are mining in lowsec, a Curse is your best bet, because anyone who sees a Curse and Hulks on d-scan will immediately suspect it's a trap and take some time to evaluate the situation. Of course, that only gives you a little more time before they get backup arranged and come on in anyway, but it's better than nothing.
drdxie
#17 - 2011-11-16 23:04:25 UTC
Use a domi. Fit some shield reps for reping the hulks when they get shot at. Drop some bouncers 20km from the fleet, so they can hit small orbiting ships, put the domi close to fleet so you can rep the hulks. set 1 sentry per hulk to gaurd that person and watch some telly Big smile
No idea how well this will work btw.. just trolling

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
Moatra
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-11-17 02:08:59 UTC
Why not just fly a repper ship to keep the miners alive until the gankers get concorded? Fly a big, fat remote repping battleship,keep your corp friendlies on the watchlist and use drones on the rats. Should never have to move.
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-11-17 03:14:57 UTC
3 t1 hobgoblins kill high sec rats going against a completely untanked retriever, no idea why your Hulks would need help with the NPCs. Against high sec gankers there is literally nothing that will protect you against dedicated gankers. A RR BS or ECM boat + buffer fit hulk will at least up the cost required to gank you.

I used to protect a miner buddy with a SeBo'd Scorp in low sec: not a single person that landed on grid engaged for some reason : / But this was years back when AFs were just becoming all the rage. These days I'd probably go with a Falcon.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
JackStraw56
Run Like an Antelope
#20 - 2011-11-18 16:21:51 UTC
There is really no point to flying security for a high sec mining op, especially with just 1 pilot, you won't deter anything.
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