Intergalactic Summit

It is unfortunate that a small handfull of the faithful have lost their way and so blatantly mistreat their slaves. There is no room for the random beatings, the midnight searches for contraband, the sexual assaults. This is not Gods way.

Law and order must be maintained in any community and the cruel and unsual punishment works best as a deterent, making an example of the criminal. I often attend many of public lashings delivered to violent criminals amongst my slaves, and am pleased to say that crime is on a downward trend as a result of the public use of force. However these acts are not done lightly or often. Only in extreme circumstances and a fair evidence-based process are corporal punishment methods used.

Perhaps that Infant sought an Oasis that was invisible to you.

There's this recurring discussion on this fine forum about how the Amarr mistreat their slaves, and how they don't really do that but only some irresponsible people among them do. That discussion is irrelevant, as it does not matter to the demands to let our people go whether you treat them well or not.

If you want the most basic demand, that would be the unlimited option for all Minmatar to return to their kin as they choose. We can do compromises on the time scale of that, but we won't compromise on the basic request.

The basic demand of the Amarr is for us to follow their will and to "reclaim" us, whether we want to or not (despite the handful of Amarrians on IGS continuously claiming they don't really wanna do that), and I suspect they will not compromise on that demand, either. So we'll end up fighting over it. Pity that, but here we are.


As for the slavery question - for all I care, you can be as cruel or as kind to your Amarrian slaves as you like. If you make videos of it, I'm sure you can make some extra money out of it, too.

Freedom and Liberty is better than Dogma and Tyrany.

With that said, along with freedom and liberty, is the freedom of the individual to take and control something, like a solar system. You're free to like it, and visit, not like it, and breeak the rules, or not like it and not visit or try and take it from him.

As such, perhaps the real solution is to stop talking so damn much, and do something if somethings needs done, eh?

So many words here, so little actual deeds.

Yeah, I sometimes get the impression that the most ethically appalling thing some Amarr have ever done was their post on IGS.

Not sure that applies to this thread, though. At least the original poster of this thread fights for his Reclaiming in space quite regularly, and I do recognize a number of names here from their actions in space. Not all, but quite a few. So not sure why it should be an either/or question.

Respect for the militias ? The same militias composed of 90% of thieves and privateers that spend their time endlessly to kill each other and whatever else appears on their sensors, hiding behind a flag to have a free pass to devote themselves even more to their bloodlust ? And even for the few honorable ones, to what purpose ? A meaningless and wasteful proxy war ?

And at the same time, no respect for the capsuleers that "stuff their wallets" by eliminating outlaw factions or the incursions of the Sansha Nation ?

I am experiencing difficulties to understand your logic.

I think the point is that the TLF militia, while composed of 'thieves and privateers', as you put it, are actively engaged in combat -- the majority of non-enlisted capsuleers that I've encountered won't get involved unless it directly impacts their day-to-day business dealings.

I have great respect for capsuleers of all types -- but Valentina makes a good point nonetheless.

And being actively engaged in combat (piracy, privateering, combat for the sake of fighting) is a good thing according to you ?

I won't.

Astrid Stjerna Understood my point, whereas I don't quite think you did Lyn, The TLF actually fights against Amarrian forces, and not just noncapsuleer forces, they are quite happy to kill me too since, at the moment I am in a corporation, that works with the Crusade.

The point, wasn't that they are worthy of respect because they destroy things, the point is they put themselves on the line and actually fight for something, rather than complain from afar. The results even don't matter as much as that someone as the expression goes puts their money where their mouth is. If you are really opposed to reclaiming, then oppose it, and that is exactly what they do.

Of Course, in general I respect CVA and their allies in providence too, if they think that the region needs to be held for the Empire, and they actually put their crews, their isk, and their clones on the line to defend it, certainly this is something worthy of respect,

And Yes Lyn, perhaps the milita is full of "pirates", I can't honestly say that I hold the moral values that the empire holds, but you know what, even the pirates and thieves there are still doing more than the some of the holders that talk oh so loud about how the empire needs to reclaim, yet do absolutely nothing to accomplish this.



No, I will never have respect for those that oppose incursions, because of my own personal feelings towards Sansha's Nation. And those that oppose the other "outlaw" factions, rarely take any serious risk to do so, and those who don't take risks aren't worthy of my respect, so only a small percentage would I actually respect. Also, these so called "outlaw" factions are by and large misunderstood, while I think the Angel Cartel and the Guristas are more or less just up to no good, for the sake of acquiring isk, the others all have motivations, that I think are at least as good as the "emprie" factions.