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Indecency inside Blood Raider quarters: Statues.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#141 - 2014-05-22 21:06:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Valerie Valate wrote:
Diana Kim challenged my assertion about the unclothed male statue nipple not being unrighteous, and said it would be "interesting to watch" the reactions of other people, and the authorities, were I to appear similarly clad in a public area of the EFA station in Amarr.

The difference between a larger-than life male statue, and a life-size living woman, was apparently of no importance.

So, myself and a corpmate set out to try and end this ridiculous thread, through proving the argument wrong.

The first part, involved having a male assistant, dressed similarly to the statues, appear in a public area, and distribute leaflets.

*A short video clip starts, showing Valerie and an Amarr man, on one of the station concourses. The Amarr man is dressed in a toga-style garment, similar to the statues, with one nipple exposed. He distributes leaflets to passers by. After a few minutes, station police arrive. "Stop right there, heretic scum", says one officer. Valerie shows her ID, and the other police officer says "We are confiscating these leaflets. Kindly leave the station".*

The second part, involved my corpmate, an Udorian woman, in similar attire, performing the same activity.

"Another short video clip, showing Valerie and a rather unhappy looking Udorian blonde woman wearing a toga, on a different station concourse. The woman attempts to distribute leaflets to passers by. A small child is overheard asking "mummy, why is that lady naked?". Another passer by remarks "Ugh, capsuleers". Station police arrive after a few minutes. "Stop right there, deviant scum", says one familiar looking officer. Valerie shows her ID, and the other police officer says "You, Put on some clothes and both of you, get out".*

Well, I think that answers that.

Male nipples are not a problem, rendering this whole argument invalid.

Both experiments show that you were sent out from the station.
The problem is in nudity.

Your interpretation of results, however, are targeted at a bit different purpose: to discriminate women relative to men. This is inhumane, uncivilized and disrespectful. Such barbaric approach, when you separate norm of behavior between men and women, is savagery and belongs to stone age, not modern time.

And also, this is simply disgusting. Please stop doing this!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2014-05-22 23:41:24 UTC
The mark of a delusional narccissist is that they always assume that you're talking about them.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#143 - 2014-05-23 03:10:18 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
The mark of a delusional narccissist is that they always assume that you're talking about them.


I'm the narcissist, right? It's okay, you don't have to say it, since it'd just make people jealous. It'll be our little secret.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2014-05-23 06:08:58 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I'm the narcissist, right? It's okay, you don't have to say it, since it'd just make people jealous. It'll be our little secret.

Nah. You actually have some features worth being arrogant about. Blink

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#145 - 2014-05-24 08:18:17 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Both experiments show that you were sent out from the station.
The problem is in nudity.

Your interpretation of results, however, are targeted at a bit different purpose: to discriminate women relative to men. This is inhumane, uncivilized and disrespectful. Such barbaric approach, when you separate norm of behavior between men and women, is savagery and belongs to stone age, not modern time.

And also, this is simply disgusting. Please stop doing this!


The male Experimental Participant was Asked to leave, for distributing "Heretical Leaflets", not because of Nudity.

The female Experimental Participant was Asked to Leave, because of "Deviancy".

The Difference between "Heresy" and "Deviancy" is Significant.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#146 - 2014-05-26 10:10:07 UTC
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Both experiments show that you were sent out from the station.
The problem is in nudity.

Your interpretation of results, however, are targeted at a bit different purpose: to discriminate women relative to men. This is inhumane, uncivilized and disrespectful. Such barbaric approach, when you separate norm of behavior between men and women, is savagery and belongs to stone age, not modern time.

And also, this is simply disgusting. Please stop doing this!


The male Experimental Participant was Asked to leave, for distributing "Heretical Leaflets", not because of Nudity.

The female Experimental Participant was Asked to Leave, because of "Deviancy".

The Difference between "Heresy" and "Deviancy" is Significant.

Then what does this "sacred flesh" concept mean at all?
Does showing flesh make you a heretic?

This is a bit confusing part for me.
For example, in the State for showing flesh like this, you will be fined for "obscene act", and most likely imprisoned as well.
In the army, cadets usually get corporal punishment, officers - demotion, and probably fine and corporal punishment as well, depending on the rank of the officer and place of committing the crime (for example, for nudity on the station you will be most likely asked to pay the fine to the corporation, that owns the station).

The law should definitely state, which norms should be followed, for example, is it allowed to show shoulders, elbows, knees, or other parts of the body without proper coverage on the public.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Wendrika
Doomheim
#147 - 2014-05-26 10:26:21 UTC
Miss Kim, I know just the thing for your problem! You can get a tailor drone and have it knit you some nanofiber shirts to dresss the statues. With a few hundred ISK you can probably dress half the region's statues.

I suggest wooly fibers so the they can be warm and coozy.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#148 - 2014-05-26 10:36:11 UTC
In fact, while I was stationed in blood raider space, after I regained my lost equipment, I were just covering these parts of statues with my clothes.
It worked, actually.

I am not sure if I will ever return to blood raider space actually. Their statues are too lewd.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#149 - 2014-05-26 11:15:37 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
In fact, while I was stationed in blood raider space, after I regained my lost equipment, I were just covering these parts of statues with my clothes.
It worked, actually.

I am not sure if I will ever return to blood raider space actually. Their statues are too lewd.


You know, there are forms of art in virtually every society that involve nudity and the beauty of the bare human form. I'm certain there are such forms even within Caldari culture.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2014-05-26 11:17:11 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
You know, there are forms of art in virtually every society that involve nudity and the beauty of the bare human form. I'm certain there are such forms even within Caldari culture.

Like you wouldn't believe.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#151 - 2014-05-26 11:19:08 UTC
Nudity don't bother me. Least not female nudity. I lived in close quarters with other women for many years now, in fact one of my duties has been to help with personal hygiene and grooming.

But male nudity? Not somethin' I ever experienced, other than corpses, and I don't really care to.

🍌

Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#152 - 2014-05-26 15:51:49 UTC
Totally called it.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#153 - 2014-05-26 18:24:36 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:

You know, there are forms of art in virtually every society that involve nudity and the beauty of the bare human form. I'm certain there are such forms even within Caldari culture.

Art is something inspiring, something great...
And human body without clothes is not art. It is biology, medicine, anatomy...
Besides, in public place, nudity is outright obscene and violation of law and moral norms.

Only such decadent species as gallenteans would consider nudity as art.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#154 - 2014-05-26 20:26:57 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
Nudity don't bother me. Least not female nudity. I lived in close quarters with other women for many years now, in fact one of my duties has been to help with personal hygiene and grooming.

But male nudity? Not somethin' I ever experienced, other than corpses, and I don't really care to.

Personal hygiene, Ms. LeMew, is called personal for a reason.
Nudity is, of course, acceptable where it is necessary. For example, for medical procedures, for sleep, for hygiene related procedures, for being in capsule in the end.

Nudity for show, or nudity because of neglecting proper clothing, where you must maintain professional appearance or dress code, is not acceptable!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#155 - 2014-05-26 20:57:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
I've seen some Caldari, hyper-realistic, art that seemed to feature a lot of square-jawed and reasonably well-built men in revealing work outfits, manhandling large levers and machinery. I've seen Amarrian representation of Sefir that seemed to involve lots of diaphanous gowns. Matari seem to be unusual in that they make art actually USING naked bodies.

And the Gallente? Well... The less said about that...

I had to take an elective course for my Masters Degree that was 'culturally expansive'. I learned all about such things. It's, apparently, to prove that I am a well-rounded student, which is ridiculous. I pointed out that I am, in fact, more of an inverted-wedge shaped student but my advisor, while whole-heartedly agreeing, said that I still had to take the course.

Facist Liberals.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#156 - 2014-05-26 21:06:01 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I've seen some Caldari, hyper-realistic, art that seemed to feature a lot of square-jawed and reasonably well-built men in revealing work outfits, manhandling large levers and machinery.

This is... incredibly indecent and inappropriate!
Work outfits must not be revealing!
Could you please send me where exactly you have seen this, better with visual proof as inculpatory evidence, so I could estimate if they violate anything, and report them to corresponding corporation, or even CBT!!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#157 - 2014-05-26 21:06:40 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I've seen some Caldari, hyper-realistic, art that seemed to feature a lot of square-jawed and reasonably well-built men in revealing work outfits, manhandling large levers and machinery.

This is... incredibly indecent and inappropriate!
Work outfits must not be revealing!
Could you please send me where exactly you have seen this, better with visual proof as inculpatory evidence, so I could estimate if they violate anything, and report them to corresponding corporation, or even CBT!!


Of course, I'd be glad to cooperate.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#158 - 2014-05-27 21:49:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I've seen some Caldari, hyper-realistic, art that seemed to feature a lot of square-jawed and reasonably well-built men in revealing work outfits, manhandling large levers and machinery.

This is... incredibly indecent and inappropriate!
Work outfits must not be revealing!
Could you please send me where exactly you have seen this, better with visual proof as inculpatory evidence, so I could estimate if they violate anything, and report them to corresponding corporation, or even CBT!!

You want pictures of naked men? We can arrange that. Do you have a preferred body type?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#159 - 2014-05-27 22:43:18 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
You want pictures of naked men? We can arrange that. Do you have a preferred body type?


Well DUH, of course she does.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#160 - 2014-05-28 03:42:25 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
You want pictures of naked men? We can arrange that. Do you have a preferred body type?


Well DUH, of course she does.

Say, Petey, you should do a naked photo shoot! You seem like Kimmy's type Blink

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.