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Cypher Reese
Carebear Corpse Holdings
#41 - 2014-05-14 19:01:40 UTC
The OP gets offended by a name in his native language which the majority of people won't get because its not in the language they speak. He insists that it should be reported and changed because it is offensive

He is informed that the name of his corp and alliance are offensive to a large number of people that speak English and his response is "I don't care because I don't understand the language enough to realize it's offensive".


Now he is insulting people because they don't think the offensive language they don't understand is important. Have I missed any of the hypocrisy here?
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#42 - 2014-05-14 19:11:38 UTC
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Shivanthar
#43 - 2014-05-14 19:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Shivanthar
Cypher Reese wrote:
The OP gets offended by a name in his native language which the majority of people won't get because its not in the language they speak. He insists that it should be reported and changed because it is offensive

He is informed that the name of his corp and alliance are offensive to a large number of people that speak English and his response is "I don't care because I don't understand the language enough to realize it's offensive".


Now he is insulting people because they don't think the offensive language they don't understand is important. Have I missed any of the hypocrisy here?


Yes, you're missing something. But that is not hypocrisy. It is the point.
- I didn't state I get offended and I didn't "insists that it should be reported and changed because it is offensive". I just said I needed an official. An assist...
- I didn't say I don't care about my corp name. I said I didn't know its meaning. I said any change about it won't affect me. And for your information, I liked their behavior. I would do (and did) the same.
- Please cite my insulting. Then ask yourself. Is it an insult? Or is it something that person put thyself in?
- I didn't need any confirmation or judging by any of the people that have spoken here and you.I asked question and I got answers.

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#44 - 2014-05-14 19:21:27 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
How is this conversations still going on? A guy had a legitimate question about where to post a support ticket over a matter he has every right to report. CCP will make a decision about whether or not they find it rule violating, and that will be that. You guys had no need to come in trolling and have no need to continue to do so now. I get it, you don't like people complaining and think that everyone should HTFU, regardless of what their issue is. That's just not the way it works. Move on and troll the next one.
Lucas, my issue is the "holier than thou" attitude. He got his answer, yet he persists. Even citing some randomness about hitting people with a car in comparison to a maybe-offensive name?

Eh.
What holier than though attitude? You immediately leapt in giving him ****, and he responded. Sure there's some pretty dodgy analogies being thrown around as usual, but what do you expect? Perhaps if you don;t like people responding like that you should just not troll them in the first place.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#45 - 2014-05-14 19:23:35 UTC
Cypher Reese wrote:
The OP gets offended by a name in his native language which the majority of people won't get because its not in the language they speak. He insists that it should be reported and changed because it is offensive

He is informed that the name of his corp and alliance are offensive to a large number of people that speak English and his response is "I don't care because I don't understand the language enough to realize it's offensive".

Now he is insulting people because they don't think the offensive language they don't understand is important. Have I missed any of the hypocrisy here?

Firstly, regardless of language, if something offensive to someone they have the right to report it.
Secondly, it's not his corp, or his alliance, and when he says he doesn't care, I'm pretty sure he means he doesn't care if you report it (which was clearly being done out of spite anyway), not that he doesn't care if it offends you.

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Shivanthar
#46 - 2014-05-14 19:28:32 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
How is this conversations still going on? A guy had a legitimate question about where to post a support ticket over a matter he has every right to report. CCP will make a decision about whether or not they find it rule violating, and that will be that. You guys had no need to come in trolling and have no need to continue to do so now. I get it, you don't like people complaining and think that everyone should HTFU, regardless of what their issue is. That's just not the way it works. Move on and troll the next one.
Lucas, my issue is the "holier than thou" attitude. He got his answer, yet he persists. Even citing some randomness about hitting people with a car in comparison to a maybe-offensive name?

Eh.
What holier than though attitude? You immediately leapt in giving him ****, and he responded. Sure there's some pretty dodgy analogies being thrown around as usual, but what do you expect? Perhaps if you don;t like people responding like that you should just not troll them in the first place.


He said "He got his answer, yet he persists." But look at when he made his first post. People are coming here to judge me while I'm actually looking for an official. Yes, I will persist unless they stop judging without actually knowing what was going on.

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Cyran Reinhard
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-05-14 19:34:03 UTC
Shivanthar wrote:

What I'm trying to understand is, why are they defending a possible offender without ever thinking that there might be an actual offense... I didn't need judges, I just needed a person who will point where can I find a responsible official.


The same way people stand up for people whose freedom is being assaulted by laws.

If a rule is unjust, and it's broken, is the action unjust simply because it broke the rule that is recognized to be unjust?
Cyran Reinhard
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2014-05-14 19:35:22 UTC
Shivanthar wrote:
Yes, I will persist unless they stop judging without actually knowing what was going on.


Your OP was "I am offended, and the rules say I can complain about being offended, who do I complain to?"

You CHOSE not to present more information about the subject.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#49 - 2014-05-14 19:50:21 UTC
Cyran Reinhard wrote:
Shivanthar wrote:
Yes, I will persist unless they stop judging without actually knowing what was going on.


Your OP was "I am offended, and the rules say I can complain about being offended, who do I complain to?"

You CHOSE not to present more information about the subject.
Uh, actually he stated it was a name that was offensive and asked where to report it. It was a simple questions with more than enough information for an answer.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-05-14 20:06:59 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Cypher Reese wrote:
The OP gets offended by a name in his native language which the majority of people won't get because its not in the language they speak. He insists that it should be reported and changed because it is offensive

He is informed that the name of his corp and alliance are offensive to a large number of people that speak English and his response is "I don't care because I don't understand the language enough to realize it's offensive".

Now he is insulting people because they don't think the offensive language they don't understand is important. Have I missed any of the hypocrisy here?

Firstly, regardless of language, if something offensive to someone they have the right to report it.
Secondly, it's not his corp, or his alliance, and when he says he doesn't care, I'm pretty sure he means he doesn't care if you report it (which was clearly being done out of spite anyway), not that he doesn't care if it offends you.


Damn it man, are you really one of those guys? You know, the ones who think that they have some right not to be offended?

Let me let you guys in on why this pisses me off so much. We live in a pussified society where this seems to be the growing belief that anything that is even passively offensive to ANYONE must be illegal or abolished. I wasnt trolling in my first post. I play this game because it *used to be* a place where soft-feelings-hurt-easily-offended types were thrown out like so much of yesterdays trash. Now we are worried about hurting peoples feelings? Aww... did the player name offend you? Better report it. Is your other hobby reporting zoning code violations? Maybe ratting out that little girl's lemonade stand down the street to the IRS (or even better, the FDA!).

Seriously, why cant you just play the game?

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Shivanthar
#51 - 2014-05-14 20:39:24 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Cypher Reese wrote:
The OP gets offended by a name in his native language which the majority of people won't get because its not in the language they speak. He insists that it should be reported and changed because it is offensive

He is informed that the name of his corp and alliance are offensive to a large number of people that speak English and his response is "I don't care because I don't understand the language enough to realize it's offensive".

Now he is insulting people because they don't think the offensive language they don't understand is important. Have I missed any of the hypocrisy here?

Firstly, regardless of language, if something offensive to someone they have the right to report it.
Secondly, it's not his corp, or his alliance, and when he says he doesn't care, I'm pretty sure he means he doesn't care if you report it (which was clearly being done out of spite anyway), not that he doesn't care if it offends you.


Damn it man, are you really one of those guys? You know, the ones who think that they have some right not to be offended?

Let me let you guys in on why this pisses me off so much. We live in a pussified society where this seems to be the growing belief that anything that is even passively offensive to ANYONE must be illegal or abolished. I wasnt trolling in my first post. I play this game because it *used to be* a place where soft-feelings-hurt-easily-offended types were thrown out like so much of yesterdays trash. Now we are worried about hurting peoples feelings? Aww... did the player name offend you? Better report it. Is your other hobby reporting zoning code violations? Maybe ratting out that little girl's lemonade stand down the street to the IRS (or even better, the FDA!).

Seriously, why cant you just play the game?


Because, we are different. Everybody is different. We may disagree with each other. You got pissed of by me (I take it as a different kind of disagreement) I choose to report a bomb, who might blow someone up and decided to go to police to report it. That was about it. The title is "who to report". I don't have any other intentions. Just tried to learn who to report. Believe me, if I knew I would take this much heat, I simply would have tried harder. That was my mistake.

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Shivanthar
#52 - 2014-05-14 21:03:09 UTC
Cyran Reinhard wrote:
Shivanthar wrote:
Yes, I will persist unless they stop judging without actually knowing what was going on.


Your OP was "I am offended, and the rules say I can complain about being offended, who do I complain to?"

You CHOSE not to present more information about the subject.


Yes, the subject is not to discuss it. It is neither wise, nor a correct action to reveal somebody's name which is about to be reported. A soon-to-be-gm-talk is not a kind of discussion that could be revealed in the forums.

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Winchester Steele
#53 - 2014-05-14 21:06:56 UTC
Shivanthar wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Shivanthar wrote:
I am sorry to share that I really hate people like some of you, despite we have to share the same world. I'm pretty sure you have no interest when monument was attacked also.

Nevermind, I was asking for official help according to this:

My report will fall to this group:
Policies - EVE Online Terms of Service
2- You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)



You HATE people over silly videogame ****? Pretty harsh and more than a little ironic in the context of your post.


Actually, if it is read carefully, those people picked me with actually no reason. They were here to make fun of me, resulting one of their being deleted. I asked a question. That was it. There were actually no need to start a bar fight. They came, they join, they argue. I just watch and reply.

What I'm trying to understand is, why are they defending a possible offender without ever thinking that there might be an actual offense... I didn't need judges, I just needed a person who will point where can I find a responsible official.


Regardless, espousing hatred of someone because they disagree with you or troll your bad posts is pretty extreme.

With your delicate sensibilities, you may want to consider the very real possibility that the internet is not for you. Maybe look into basket-weaving or water color paints...

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Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#54 - 2014-05-14 21:17:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Django Askulf
Is this guy asking to be bountied and watchlisted? I dunno what "report" means.
Shivanthar
#55 - 2014-05-14 21:25:09 UTC
Cyran Reinhard wrote:
Shivanthar wrote:

What I'm trying to understand is, why are they defending a possible offender without ever thinking that there might be an actual offense... I didn't need judges, I just needed a person who will point where can I find a responsible official.


The same way people stand up for people whose freedom is being assaulted by laws.

If a rule is unjust, and it's broken, is the action unjust simply because it broke the rule that is recognized to be unjust?


If you call a law is unjust and broken, then your actions against it, will simply determine how hard the consequences you'll face.
You've to play by the book. You can choose not to, then you'll face the consequences of system.
If you want to change a rule, gather a very large supporter crowd, get elected, gather political force and change it. Trying to change it by other means will make you receive its consequences.

I'm not here to query a rule's justice. I was here to learn the referee, and I was shown.

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Shivanthar
#56 - 2014-05-14 21:29:03 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Shivanthar wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Shivanthar wrote:
I am sorry to share that I really hate people like some of you, despite we have to share the same world. I'm pretty sure you have no interest when monument was attacked also.

Nevermind, I was asking for official help according to this:

My report will fall to this group:
Policies - EVE Online Terms of Service
2- You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)



You HATE people over silly videogame ****? Pretty harsh and more than a little ironic in the context of your post.


Actually, if it is read carefully, those people picked me with actually no reason. They were here to make fun of me, resulting one of their being deleted. I asked a question. That was it. There were actually no need to start a bar fight. They came, they join, they argue. I just watch and reply.

What I'm trying to understand is, why are they defending a possible offender without ever thinking that there might be an actual offense... I didn't need judges, I just needed a person who will point where can I find a responsible official.


Regardless, espousing hatred of someone because they disagree with you or troll your bad posts is pretty extreme.

With your delicate sensibilities, you may want to consider the very real possibility that the internet is not for you. Maybe look into basket-weaving or water color paints...


Why are you so interested in my hatred was not this thread's subject. Nor I'm interested in explaining it any further.
Read the title, if you have any further know-how of how to improve already given answers, please respond. Otherwise, you're going out of subject towards my personal ideas.

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#57 - 2014-05-14 21:32:54 UTC
Django Askulf wrote:
Is this guy asking to be bountied and watchlisted? I dunno what "report" means.


More like permadecced.

*starts flipping coin*

Also, OP is either trolling at this point or is one of those 'special flowers'...that need to be stepped on.

Roll

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And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Winchester Steele
#58 - 2014-05-14 21:41:57 UTC
Django Askulf wrote:
Is this guy asking to be bountied and watchlisted? I dunno what "report" means.



Snitches get stitches.


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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#59 - 2014-05-14 21:42:14 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Damn it man, are you really one of those guys? You know, the ones who think that they have some right not to be offended?

Let me let you guys in on why this pisses me off so much. We live in a pussified society where this seems to be the growing belief that anything that is even passively offensive to ANYONE must be illegal or abolished. I wasnt trolling in my first post. I play this game because it *used to be* a place where soft-feelings-hurt-easily-offended types were thrown out like so much of yesterdays trash. Now we are worried about hurting peoples feelings? Aww... did the player name offend you? Better report it. Is your other hobby reporting zoning code violations? Maybe ratting out that little girl's lemonade stand down the street to the IRS (or even better, the FDA!).

Seriously, why cant you just play the game?
No, I'm not one of "those guys", but I do understand that the structure is in place for people to report such things and it's up to CCP to decide if it's relevant or not. The guy asked for a simple piece of information and you trolled him. You had absolutely no reason to do so. If you didn't want to answer properly, then don't answer. He asked a simple question with a simple answer and you felt the need to instead hand over your uninformed opinion. I don't really care whether or not you think people should be able to report things they find offensive, CCP have deemed that you can, and have always stated that if you are unsure you should file a ticket. Now his got his answer, he can go to CCP and they can make their decision. Move on.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Winchester Steele
#60 - 2014-05-14 21:45:45 UTC
Shivanthar wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Shivanthar wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Shivanthar wrote:
I am sorry to share that I really hate people like some of you, despite we have to share the same world. I'm pretty sure you have no interest when monument was attacked also.

Nevermind, I was asking for official help according to this:

My report will fall to this group:
Policies - EVE Online Terms of Service
2- You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)



You HATE people over silly videogame ****? Pretty harsh and more than a little ironic in the context of your post.


Actually, if it is read carefully, those people picked me with actually no reason. They were here to make fun of me, resulting one of their being deleted. I asked a question. That was it. There were actually no need to start a bar fight. They came, they join, they argue. I just watch and reply.

What I'm trying to understand is, why are they defending a possible offender without ever thinking that there might be an actual offense... I didn't need judges, I just needed a person who will point where can I find a responsible official.


Regardless, espousing hatred of someone because they disagree with you or troll your bad posts is pretty extreme.

With your delicate sensibilities, you may want to consider the very real possibility that the internet is not for you. Maybe look into basket-weaving or water color paints...


Why are you so interested in my hatred was not this thread's subject. Nor I'm interested in explaining it any further.
Read the title, if you have any further know-how of how to improve already given answers, please respond. Otherwise, you're going out of subject towards my personal ideas.



Hey fella. You made the thread and the statement on a public forum, not me. Once you hit that post button, you open yourself up to any and all criticism, doubly so when you make noxious statements. Also, I'm just a little surprised and curious that people can muster feelings as extreme as hatred over silly internet drama.

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