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Medium Drone Operation

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Alexander Lion
Suicidal Actions
#1 - 2014-05-14 12:17:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexander Lion
Hi,

when i logged on to Sisi i wanted to try the new Gila. But i was a little bit shocked, i trained the combat drone operation skill to V before the mirror was done and now i only have Light drone Operation on V but no Medium Drone Operation. I remember that they annonced to to give us both skills on V if we had Combat drone Operation on V . Is this a Bug or intended?

Alex

P.S.: The Skill isn't even in the market.
Joe Baarim
Baarim Industries
#2 - 2014-05-14 12:24:19 UTC
I was actually just about to make a similar post about this as well:

The latest post I was able to find about the drone skill changes is here with an update to the skill changes.

On TQ right now I have Combat Drone Operation 4 and Scout Drone Operation 5

On current SiSi right now I have Light Drone Operation 4, No Medium Drone Operation at all, and Drone Avionics 5.

Is the skill-changing script for the current SiSi just not updated or was there another change that I was not able to find or has not been announced yet?

Can we still expect the skill changes to go through as in the post linked above?
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2014-05-14 12:38:36 UTC
The skill upgrade script that will be run on TQ has not been run on SISI. The information in my post that Joe linked is indeed still accurate.

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Monthan
Omega Bureau
#4 - 2014-05-14 18:40:11 UTC
Hi there,
So when we can expect this issue will be solved? this night?
Thanks.
Baygun
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-05-14 19:05:40 UTC
Do you plan to delay Medium Scout Drones skill on Tranquility same way as is done on SiSi?
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#6 - 2014-05-14 20:08:38 UTC
Baygun wrote:
Do you plan to delay Medium Scout Drones skill on Tranquility same way as is done on SiSi?


Are you trolling? Shocked
Jane Shapperd
Quafe Commandos
#7 - 2014-05-14 20:34:26 UTC
So what about those who trained both skills Combat Drone Operation & Scout Drone Operation to 5

will they be compensated for training combat drone operation ?

as if they didn't train combat drone operation to 5 , they will get both new skills to level 5
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#8 - 2014-05-14 20:47:20 UTC
Jane Shapperd wrote:
So what about those who trained both skills Combat Drone Operation & Scout Drone Operation to 5

will they be compensated for training combat drone operation ?

as if they didn't train combat drone operation to 5 , they will get both new skills to level 5


Nope, because there's nothing to be compensated for.

If you have either Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation (or both) trained to level 5 you get the maximum possible ranks of the new skills.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie
Draconus Lofwyr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-05-14 21:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Draconus Lofwyr
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Jane Shapperd wrote:
So what about those who trained both skills Combat Drone Operation & Scout Drone Operation to 5

will they be compensated for training combat drone operation ?

as if they didn't train combat drone operation to 5 , they will get both new skills to level 5


Nope, because there's nothing to be compensated for.

If you have either Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation (or both) trained to level 5 you get the maximum possible ranks of the new skills.


nm
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2014-05-14 21:14:57 UTC
Monthan wrote:
Hi there,
So when we can expect this issue will be solved? this night?
Thanks.
More likely in a couple of days.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#11 - 2014-05-14 21:52:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Desert Ice78
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Jane Shapperd wrote:
So what about those who trained both skills Combat Drone Operation & Scout Drone Operation to 5

will they be compensated for training combat drone operation ?

as if they didn't train combat drone operation to 5 , they will get both new skills to level 5


Nope, because there's nothing to be compensated for.

If you have either Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation (or both) trained to level 5 you get the maximum possible ranks of the new skills.


On the contrary!! I trained Combat Drone Op 5 for nothing (expecting the get medium drone op 5 in return.) Now you say I only needed scout drone op to 5, which I had already trained, and combat drone op to 1. What about the wasted levels 2-5? I expect to get something for something here.....

These are not "new" skills. Your just changing the names about, and making one of them redundant past level 1.

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
Gavin Dax
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-05-14 22:31:36 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Jane Shapperd wrote:
So what about those who trained both skills Combat Drone Operation & Scout Drone Operation to 5

will they be compensated for training combat drone operation ?

as if they didn't train combat drone operation to 5 , they will get both new skills to level 5


Nope, because there's nothing to be compensated for.

If you have either Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation (or both) trained to level 5 you get the maximum possible ranks of the new skills.


I'm a bit surprised by this comment. I trained CDO V not too long before the dev blog on another character (for which I paid for plex to use dual-character training). That character has not even undocked with CDO V. So 1/3rd of the money I spent was entirely wasted because of these changes. Doesn't this mean there is something to be compensated for?

Granted, it's not *that* much. But it's close to the difference between using +5s and +4s, or picking a good attribute mapping and a bad one. I don't really see any disadvantage if the SP is reimbursed, so I'm a bit confused that this is missing from the proposed changes.

If Advanced Spaceship Command V was made the new requirement for Titans, I think everyone would agree that existing Titan pilots should be compensated. Likewise SDO V will give all the benefits of CDO V making the ladder redundant (and vice versa). I think this deserves another look Fozzie.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-05-14 23:25:34 UTC
I'm not sure why you don't just remove CDO from the game altogether and reimburse the SP. Scout drone operation can be used to transition all the skills on it's own. There is no need for CDO anymore, so seems like the obvious and simple solution to me.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2014-05-14 23:37:52 UTC
seeing as it is entirely possible to have the skills leveled differently (since they both have similar prereqs) the situation works both ways. If I have CDO to V and SDO to I, i gain sp. If i have SDO to V and CDO to I i gain SP. It works both ways and provides the same benefits.

if this change were happening just by translating SDO and CDO to the new skills, those without CDO V would no longer have the prereqs for medium drones (or small depending on which ones switched where).

So, to make it easier, CCP tied the skills to one skill instead of both separately. It is because it can work so many different ways without any SP loss or gain, but losses in other forms, It will work like this instead.
Jane Shapperd
Quafe Commandos
#15 - 2014-05-15 07:49:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jane Shapperd
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Jane Shapperd wrote:
So what about those who trained both skills Combat Drone Operation & Scout Drone Operation to 5

will they be compensated for training combat drone operation ?

as if they didn't train combat drone operation to 5 , they will get both new skills to level 5


Nope, because there's nothing to be compensated for.

If you have either Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation (or both) trained to level 5 you get the maximum possible ranks of the new skills.



to put it in another way (i had scout drone operation to level 5 ). i am following strict 2700 sp/hour skill plan, i dropped that skill plan , because dev blog said so , just to train combat drone operation from 4 to level 5 which took me around 7 days to train .
my training rate dropped from 2700 sp/hour to 1980 sp/hour . just as i got the combat drone operation to 5 i saw the post on the forum.

Note : my remap was will power / perception
Drone skills are : memory / perception

now considering the 7 days with 1980 sp/hour and 7 days with 2700 sp/hour

so 7 days at 2700 sp/hour = 453,600
and 7 days at 1980 sp/hour = 332,640
means sp lost = 120,960

i call it lost sp because i didn't even need to train that skill

that's not much but consider other cases
which people who had to train combat drone operation from level 0 to level 5 just because they trusted in the dev blog
and had totally different remap meaning they train worse than 1980 sp/hour
and then they found out they don't to need to inject that skill because they already have scout drone level 5 .

Please , give this another thought .
ZecsMarquis
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2014-05-15 08:25:39 UTC
Time to give up on this one, I trained it to V from IV on a toon as well. It's not looking good guys.
Kate Blaze
True Power Capsuleers
#17 - 2014-05-15 10:02:42 UTC
Jane Shapperd wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Jane Shapperd wrote:
So what about those who trained both skills Combat Drone Operation & Scout Drone Operation to 5

will they be compensated for training combat drone operation ?

as if they didn't train combat drone operation to 5 , they will get both new skills to level 5


Nope, because there's nothing to be compensated for.

If you have either Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation (or both) trained to level 5 you get the maximum possible ranks of the new skills.



to put it in another way (i had scout drone operation to level 5 ). i am following strict 2700 sp/hour skill plan, i dropped that skill plan , because dev blog said so , just to train combat drone operation from 4 to level 5 which took me around 7 days to train .
my training rate dropped from 2700 sp/hour to 1980 sp/hour . just as i got the combat drone operation to 5 i saw the post on the forum.

Note : my remap was will power / perception
Drone skills are : memory / perception

now considering the 7 days with 1980 sp/hour and 7 days with 2700 sp/hour

so 7 days at 2700 sp/hour = 453,600
and 7 days at 1980 sp/hour = 332,640
means sp lost = 120,960

i call it lost sp because i didn't even need to train that skill

that's not much but consider other cases
which people who had to train combat drone operation from level 0 to level 5 just because they trusted in the dev blog
and had totally different remap meaning they train worse than 1980 sp/hour
and then they found out they don't to need to inject that skill because they already have scout drone level 5 .

Please , give this another thought .

This, CCP!
Xasnevian
sadfadsfadsadsf
#18 - 2014-05-15 10:05:14 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Nope, because there's nothing to be compensated for.

If you have either Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation (or both) trained to level 5 you get the maximum possible ranks of the new skills.


There's a long thread in GD with people arguing differently: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=343150

Could you confirm that you are aware of this?
Tikitina
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-05-15 13:10:29 UTC
I'm not sure a portion of the player base doing something based upon incomplete or inaccurate information obligates CCP to act on their behalf.

There is always a risk that assumptions are incorrect and things won't go your way.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#20 - 2014-05-15 14:14:22 UTC
Xasnevian wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Nope, because there's nothing to be compensated for.

If you have either Combat Drone Operation or Scout Drone Operation (or both) trained to level 5 you get the maximum possible ranks of the new skills.


There's a long thread in GD with people arguing differently: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=343150

Could you confirm that you are aware of this?


Yes both CCP Rise and I are aware of that thread and the arguments made within it.

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