EVE General Discussion

Yet I log in and see 3 month old characters who scanned down a C1 wormhole and have fleeted up to go take on sleepers, or when they find a DED 4/10 and all go grab their cruisers... I think the problem is potential midlevel gameplay (in a group) is there, but hard to find.

Fixes? Scout sites need to be buffed to 2m payout, ith an aimed completion time of 4-5 minutes in a solid T2 fit BC group (BCs should be the highest level ship allowed in) Make them doable with 2xT1 logi and 3x T1 BC, much like a C3 wormhole. But keep the pay still proportionately lowever, 20m/hour is great for new players.

Maybe you didn't read what I said. I agree that your opinion is valid. I think it's a perfectly fine opinion to have. You don't have anything left to prove (to me) about the value of your opinion.


Ok, I'll bite. Here's the E-Uni thread. Did you read it or quote the title at me? Let me summarize why it doesn't work for new players:
-Requires faction standing grinding for minmatar
-Requires to be able to fly an Inty
-Requires L4 mission running
-The Drake/Caracal fits are not close to being new player accessible
-Essentially requires an alt, so it assumes Multiple Character Training or 2 accounts - "hey new players, you'll really love this game, buy 2 subs!"
-At the very least a 5m SP plan (2-3 months).

In addition replies in post dispute the 600m number.

Great solution.


Dear new player. Buy yourself a ship that is 50m for the hull alone and fly that around. Oh, and don't fly anything you can't afford to lose.

Another great solution.


These players didn't have to grind missions or think of any earning strategy to buy and afford BCs to fly. You must be throwing money at these new players who are tripping over themselves to be running L4s during their first month subs? Hint: a 1m SP player will die in L4s. Players will reach 1m within a trial period only if they load up with a Cerebral Accelerator. I know plenty about EVE, but I'm beginning to suspect whether you do. Is internet knowledge all you have?

And, again you manage to post random unrelated solutions. How does this help a player who feels isolated? It doesn't.


Yes, 40% people dropping out is a great thing. I disagree with your opinion. Maybe you're just simplifying everything and lumping 50% dropout = 40% alone = themeparkers = WoW players and whatever other labels you have. I don't think the issue of players feeling isolated is that simple.. but if you want to make this generalization just to make your point, go ahead.

Forgot to respond to Marsha <3


I agree that the 50% who drop out probably aren't good fits for the game and EVE would be made much worse by trying to cater to them. I disagree with lumping everyone in 90%. The players that don't connect with others may be antisocial, but Gevlon points to another key reason: These players may enjoy PvE but this activity is not geared towards cooperation. PvP is geared towards cooperation, but PvE isn't. I don't think it's a good assumption that this 40% who feel alone are all entitled players. It's too much of a simplification.. and EVE can only be made better if more aspects of the game are geared towards cooperative play (without turning into farming).

No, it doesn't magically vanish but it's a far better idea than "encourage MORE people to shoot red crosses".

If their PVP was funded by their PVP, then they would do what they want to fund their PVP (they would PVP), and newbies would realistically be able to move into it, thus finding the core gameplay quicker. The people who want to shoot red crosses and nothing more would not suddenly be more social by giving them the opportunity to shoot a group of crosses as a group, they would just get more alts and group with them. Lets face it, the issue isn't that PVE is boring, it's that PVE is the primary revenue stream, so whether you want to do it or not, at least in the beginning you have to.

What's the difference between option "1" and a chat channel?

a few days... 8+- days for Retriever, thats 8 days you do nothing worth your time. This time is wasted if you end up not liking what you skill up for and Quit the game as i did before.

Eve is the only game where you pay to starting really playing after 2 months, thats when you have enough skills to TRY diferent options and master none, just try.

Venture, Training time: 16 minutes.

Yes. PVE is social enough already. There is nothing stopping a new player from reaching out. I did in 2007. If you have to create 'shortcuts' or 'encouragements' to get people to reach out, they shows they weren't EVE players to begin with.

The bolded part is the most Un-EVElike thing i can imagine. One of EVE's strengths is it's freedom of choice. 'Making' people cooperate early on in their EVE lives is as bad an idea as thinking that moving lvl 4s out of high sec will 'make' people leave high sec. 'Teaching' them the importance of communicating is OK. 'Making' is not.

So yes, it's a backwards idea that would make EVE worse. EVE should build on it's strengths, not try to fix imaginary weaknesses. The way forwards is to continue to add tools for sandboxers and maybe learn to advertise better.

Who said anything about losing a BC. BUT, if losing that BC is a huge deal, then EVE might not be the game for you.



Good.



No more time? Are they in a Hospice on a ventilator?

If you don't like L1s chances are you won't like L4s. And what do you need to run L1s? Oh yes, any t1 frig with t1 mods. Mere minutes after tutorial missions you should be ready to action.

Unless you are simultaneously playing russian roulette in RL you should have plenty of time to try most of activities Eve has to offer within first day.