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Gevlon=Carebear Extraordinaire?

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Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#1 - 2014-05-14 06:43:23 UTC
Gevlons recent post shows some interesting insights into how he believes EVE should and does work in his own eyes.

Personally i find the automation he suggest repulsive and conductive of lazy afk players, imagine

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Dave Stark
#2 - 2014-05-14 06:47:47 UTC
he has no concept of reality.

good at making isk, but beyond that he just steals oxygen. an unworthy trade, imo.
Solecist Project
#3 - 2014-05-14 06:48:14 UTC
You're a Goblin alt?
Why are you posting this?

Don't you know better???

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#4 - 2014-05-14 06:48:22 UTC
Meh.

vOv

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Dave Stark
#5 - 2014-05-14 06:52:04 UTC
gotta admit though; when it comes to PVE there are 0 reasons to do anything as a group [with other people], since it's entirely detrimental. he's right on that one.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#6 - 2014-05-14 06:52:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Stopped reading at "Ripard asked a question..."

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#7 - 2014-05-14 06:54:09 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Stopped reading at "Ripard asked a question..."

You got farther than me. I stopped at "blogspot".

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#8 - 2014-05-14 06:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: KnowUsByTheDead
Dave Stark wrote:
gotta admit though; when it comes to PVE there are 0 reasons to do anything as a group [with other people], since it's entirely detrimental. he's right on that one.


Absolutely.

Split rewards are crap.

Incursions, ofc, being the exception.

*edit

As for his estimation of "mid level" pve, VG's pretty much cover that.

You can totally run with a skeleton crew.

Not the most efficient, but still doable.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-05-14 06:57:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
I think a lot of people will see "Gevlon" and not read the post.

He does make some very good points:
-Cooperative PVE on low and mid levels is non-existent because EVE fails to reward it
-Better UI of null corp management mechanisms would encourage players with big goals to go check it out. Right now it's a youtube/E-Uni Wiki fest and honestly I understand very little of it (but I still like being a null grunt)
-Being in a corp has no inherent bonus/benefit. Maybe it should. Kane brought this up too.

The point he is making is important, I think: PvE interplayer interaction and PvP interplayer interaction is different. The former comes 100/0 co-op/compete while the latter is more 50/50 co-op/compete.

If we argue that everyone has to do 50/50 co-op/compete or even 0/100, naturally you'll turn players off.. which is what EVE seems to be doing.

He even puts the Noir. thing in perspective.. which is infinitely better than him spewing in the Noir. thread.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#10 - 2014-05-14 06:57:30 UTC
He is the definition of narrowminded
Dave Stark
#11 - 2014-05-14 07:07:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
gotta admit though; when it comes to PVE there are 0 reasons to do anything as a group [with other people], since it's entirely detrimental. he's right on that one.


Absolutely.

Split rewards are crap.

Incursions, ofc, being the exception.

*edit

As for his estimation of "mid level" pve, VG's pretty much cover that.

You can totally run with a skeleton crew.

Not the most efficient, but still doable.


split rewards are totally the issue.
sure a 50/50 split is fine; if you're completing missions twice as fast. however, you won't be.
rats might die twice as fast, but you don't slowboat between gates twice as fast, earning standings to run the next level of missions is halved etc.

the split either needs to gtfo, or be turned in to some kind of negative exponential formula.

at least mining has the good grace to benefit from more players, each subsequent member of the fleet increases the average isk/hour of the fleet due the orca/haulers contributing 0 isk/hour directly. missions have no saving grace like that, you just get a flat 1/x payout but you're not going x times faster.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2014-05-14 07:10:05 UTC
Let me guess: since it's a Gevlon post, he's slowly and painfully worked out something that was blindingly obvious to everyone else, and then drawn some batshit insane conclusion from it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Dave Stark
#13 - 2014-05-14 07:13:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Malcanis wrote:
Let me guess: since it's a Gevlon post, he's slowly and painfully worked out something that was blindingly obvious to everyone else, and then drawn some batshit insane conclusion from it.


yes, but he accidentally stumbled upon a good point about the fact that eve's pve generally discourages player interaction co-operation (as does most pve in eve but yeah)
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-05-14 07:16:23 UTC
what? no, that's a comedy blog, like the eve onion, duh








right? Straight
Dave Stark
#15 - 2014-05-14 07:16:46 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
what? no, that's a comedy blog, like the eve onion, duh








right? Straight

no, he is very out of touch with reality.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#16 - 2014-05-14 07:18:47 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Personally i find the automation he suggest repulsive and conductive of lazy afk players, imagine


How do you feel about the automation of the industry interface, where you just select some item to build, and the game does the actual building for you?

What about the automation of the POS job fees interface? I just set up roles defining who in corp can access the POS, and the game does the rest for me: charging fees, taking resources out of some hangars, delivering the resources to the appropriate output hangars, etc.

What about the folks in null sec wanting to manage renters? Would they prefer to be able to not talk to the PvE folks in case they catch something?

The Treaties system was supposed to be introduced with Dominion. We need it sooner rather than later, and all it needs to do is put a series of "crime watch" style systems in place: you as a renter are allowed to (tick the boxes) [ ] mine [ ] kill NPC rats [ ] erect a POS [ ] construct an outpost. Then the system marks you as blue to the landlord (or some other colour, who cares), and provides a pseudo-CONCORD level of protection (i.e.: if you shoot blues you get punished, perhaps through NPC police, or simply having your wallet emptied). Of course if the renter does something they're not supposed to (mines without license or rats without permission), they become "Suspect"/FFA so the passing "blues" can shoot them with gay abandon.

All Mr Goblin is asking for in that article is more reward for cooperating with other players (rather than less), the ability to share and co-complete missions, and the treaty system that was promised with Dominion.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#17 - 2014-05-14 07:21:01 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Let me guess: since it's a Gevlon post, he's slowly and painfully worked out something that was blindingly obvious to everyone else, and then drawn some batshit insane conclusion from it.


What if it turns out that the 90% of new players who leave the game are in the same boat of not understanding the disconnect between PvP and PvE mindset that Goblin talks about?

Why do you people post "good fight" in local instead of telling the ******** who blew up your mission running ship to "get ******"?

You need to explain that difference in mindset to the new players before they get ganked the first time.

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-05-14 07:22:50 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
I think a lot of people will see "Gevlon" and not read the post.


I wonder why...
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-05-14 07:25:18 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
I think a lot of people will see "Gevlon" and not read the post.


I wonder why...

I've never seen having bias as a good thing.

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Dave Stark
#20 - 2014-05-14 07:26:27 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
I think a lot of people will see "Gevlon" and not read the post.


I wonder why...

I've never seen having bias as a good thing.


depends if you value your time or not. generally skipping over gevlon's blog articles means that your time can be used more productively.
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