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Why dont stations have guns?
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-05-14 01:12:13 UTC
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
All stations should have guns on them to protect their departing ships from gankers.

There.....I said it and Im not taking it back. Flame away.Straight


ummh ... you do not have safe undocks ?

EVE Wiki ....
Quote:

This type of bookmark includes those that are position to allow you to warp instantly away to safety from station when you undock. These can be used to allow a pilot to assess the situation outside a station before engaging with any enemies that might be outside.

To create an 'Under Fire' Safe Spot, follow these steps:

Un-dock from your station, but take care to not change the direction that you automatically travel in.
Carefully change the speed of your ship so you travel away to a safe distance, say 200km away.
Now take a bookmark.

In this way, the moment you undock you can warp to a spot straight ahead of you 200km from any enemies lurking outside the station - and from there to any other point you wish while being out of range of snipers and tacklers.



Almost sounds like an exploit. Or an awful lot of trouble just to undock safely.

EDIT: To be honest, no I didnt know about them. Thanks for educating me.


When you first undock you are already at warp speed and aligned to the bookmark and still invulnerable so it makes getting safely out of a station a lot easier.

You do not need them at every station, just the dangerous or busy ones.

I set mine to more like 1500km for places like Jita.


The only "difficult" ones to create are some of the Gallente stations which seem to have a "speed bump" that throws your exit trajectory off at random. You can need multiple attempts to get them to work.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-05-14 01:14:31 UTC
And on the sixth day, He looketh upon the freighter pilot and thus spake, "Thou must maketh undock bookmarks, else thou be very silly".

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-05-14 01:21:19 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
All stations should have guns on them to protect their departing ships from gankers.

There.....I said it and Im not taking it back. Flame away.Straight


ummh ... you do not have safe undocks ?

EVE Wiki ....
Quote:

This type of bookmark includes those that are position to allow you to warp instantly away to safety from station when you undock. These can be used to allow a pilot to assess the situation outside a station before engaging with any enemies that might be outside.

To create an 'Under Fire' Safe Spot, follow these steps:

Un-dock from your station, but take care to not change the direction that you automatically travel in.
Carefully change the speed of your ship so you travel away to a safe distance, say 200km away.
Now take a bookmark.

In this way, the moment you undock you can warp to a spot straight ahead of you 200km from any enemies lurking outside the station - and from there to any other point you wish while being out of range of snipers and tacklers.



Almost sounds like an exploit. Or an awful lot of trouble just to undock safely.

EDIT: To be honest, no I didnt know about them. Thanks for educating me.


When you first undock you are already at warp speed and aligned to the bookmark and still invulnerable so it makes getting safely out of a station a lot easier.

You do not need them at every station, just the dangerous or busy ones.

I set mine to more like 1500km for places like Jita.


The only "difficult" ones to create are some of the Gallente stations which seem to have a "speed bump" that throws your exit trajectory off at random. You can need multiple attempts to get them to work.




The tactical overlay can be really helpful for getting the alignment right when that happens - especially the z-axis.

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Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#24 - 2014-05-14 03:26:09 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
Anslo wrote:
...they do?



^^this


Posted with the wrong alt there broski.



Did everyone else just happen to miss the part where the OP outed themselves as a troll?

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#25 - 2014-05-14 03:43:39 UTC
Gather around kids, let uncle reaper tell you a story...

A long time ago it was a dark age, corporations banded together in informal ways and claimed space they could not own. And then behold, the great Gods brought forth the age of Exodus and sov alliances and pos' were formed.

Bu were the gods finished? oh no... For they brought on a new age (yea for the life of me i forget which expansion, too lazy to look it up) which brought what the Gods thought would be an awesome new tool... but the mortals thought the Gods had drake a wee bit too much of there godly ale. They brought us to the age of Constellation Sov. the Gods, after having way too much to drink, told us that this will lead to Regional Sov and we were going to get great tools like gate guns!!!! But alas, the godly drink did begin to wear, and the gods began to,,, ooooh shiney!

A few years later, the Gods thought in there great wisdom, now a bit more sober, to bring us to a new age. Constaltion Sov and all the non tools that came with it, was scrapped, and thus we enetered the age of Dominion.

tl;dr. CCP made a sov system they wanted to give us gate guns and other tools, it was... lame. They got distracted, and later scrapped it.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-05-14 03:46:43 UTC
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
All stations should have guns on them to protect their departing ships from gankers.

There.....I said it and Im not taking it back. Flame away.Straight


ummh ... you do not have safe undocks ?

EVE Wiki ....
Quote:

This type of bookmark includes those that are position to allow you to warp instantly away to safety from station when you undock. These can be used to allow a pilot to assess the situation outside a station before engaging with any enemies that might be outside.

To create an 'Under Fire' Safe Spot, follow these steps:

Un-dock from your station, but take care to not change the direction that you automatically travel in.
Carefully change the speed of your ship so you travel away to a safe distance, say 200km away.
Now take a bookmark.

In this way, the moment you undock you can warp to a spot straight ahead of you 200km from any enemies lurking outside the station - and from there to any other point you wish while being out of range of snipers and tacklers.



Almost sounds like an exploit

Jesus christ you're thick.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Vivec Septim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-05-14 20:46:53 UTC
I think the OP means that the guns are BUILT INTO the station and not separate from said entity.
Like... a huge turret mounted on the station or such. I could see some serious armaments being put on one
myself. Think Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and the guns on that baby.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. 
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#28 - 2014-05-14 22:20:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Insta's are pitas on most stations that are not Amarrian. The tactical overlay is easiest to use when ejected downward...imho. I have never perfected using the overlay for horizontal ejections.

EDIT: They also became more difficult when CCP added the crowd control measure of varying the ejection angles of ships leaving the same station.
General Nusense
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-05-14 22:39:32 UTC
you know the other 4/4 station in jita is a great insta warp point.



Made a signature so I am taken seriously on the forums, since thats the only thing they are good for.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2014-05-14 22:43:39 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Insta's are pitas on most stations that are not Amarrian. The tactical overlay is easiest to use when ejected downward...imho. I have never perfected using the overlay for horizontal ejections.
They're silly easy on most Caldari stations since the undock is often aligned with the cardinal directions of the tactical view grid.

Just fly off far enough and make sure the row of numbers point straight at the undock port — done.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#31 - 2014-05-14 22:46:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Insta's are pitas on most stations that are not Amarrian. The tactical overlay is easiest to use when ejected downward...imho. I have never perfected using the overlay for horizontal ejections.
They're silly easy on most Caldari stations since the undock is often aligned with the cardinal directions of the tactical view grid.

Just fly off far enough and make sure the row of numbers point straight at the undock port — done.


Thank you senior. Been ages since I was in a caldari station. Yet again, you tag me for miss speaking Oops
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2014-05-14 22:55:02 UTC
Vivec Septim wrote:
I think the OP means that the guns are BUILT INTO the station and not separate from said entity.
Like... a huge turret mounted on the station or such. I could see some serious armaments being put on one
myself. Think Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and the guns on that baby.

I don't remember them being shown in any episodes except when the Klingons attacked.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2014-05-14 23:43:59 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Vivec Septim wrote:
I think the OP means that the guns are BUILT INTO the station and not separate from said entity.
Like... a huge turret mounted on the station or such. I could see some serious armaments being put on one
myself. Think Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and the guns on that baby.

I don't remember them being shown in any episodes except when the Klingons attacked.


I thought it was the Dominion and the Klingons were on the Federation side ? maybe not ... way to long ago to remember.


According to Wikipedia DS9 had:

48 rotary-mounted phaser arrays
36 stationary-mounted phasers
3 slide-mounted phasers
48 torpedo launchers
Doreen Kaundur
#34 - 2014-05-15 00:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Doreen Kaundur
Vivec Septim wrote:
I think the OP means that the guns are BUILT INTO the station and not separate from said entity.
Like... a huge turret mounted on the station or such. I could see some serious armaments being put on one
myself. Think Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and the guns on that baby.



^^this.

Galen Darksmith wrote:



Did everyone else just happen to miss the part where the OP outed themselves as a troll?



wut? What?

[center]1. Minor navigation color change. 2. Show bookmarks in the overview.[/center]
Doreen Kaundur
#35 - 2014-05-15 00:51:41 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Jesus christ you're thick.


Thick?

Now think about this: you have to set up bookmarks to exit a station safely? Isnt the excess of bookmarks what brought about WTZ in the first place?

[center]1. Minor navigation color change. 2. Show bookmarks in the overview.[/center]
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-05-15 01:04:52 UTC
That's kind of irrelevant to the point I was making, which is:
How could you possibly think that using bookmarks to warp away from stations quickly is an exploit?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Doreen Kaundur
#37 - 2014-05-15 01:17:16 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
That's kind of irrelevant to the point I was making, which is:
How could you possibly think that using bookmarks to warp away from stations quickly is an exploit?



Perhaps "exploit" is the wrong word. More perhaps an "unplanned use" of bookmarks.

[center]1. Minor navigation color change. 2. Show bookmarks in the overview.[/center]
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-05-15 01:17:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
an awful lot of trouble just to undock safely.


You fly out 200-300km from the undock (can be done afk) and make a bookmark that lasts forever. You press more buttons when logging in...


I like my instas to be way off grid, so no one can see the direction I warp to after. I sneaky.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#39 - 2014-05-15 02:04:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I like my instas to be way off grid, so no one can see the direction I warp to after. I sneaky.
me too. I think my shortest insta is 1100km out.

I seem to have so many of them I'm sometimes surprised when I undock in a lowsec system I'm fighting in to find that I have an insta on stations I can't even remember visiting. When I moved into lowsec though bookmarking everything was the first thing I did for about a month.

As to the OP, sentry guns or built in, the effect is the same, so they already exist.
Vivec Septim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-05-15 03:02:31 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I like my instas to be way off grid, so no one can see the direction I warp to after. I sneaky.
me too. I think my shortest insta is 1100km out.

I seem to have so many of them I'm sometimes surprised when I undock in a lowsec system I'm fighting in to find that I have an insta on stations I can't even remember visiting. When I moved into lowsec though bookmarking everything was the first thing I did for about a month.

As to the OP, sentry guns or built in, the effect is the same, so they already exist.


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