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Most all this is great.

But in PI when you are trying to select a Schematic to use the tooltip boxes pop up blocking half the list of schematics to choose from making it difficult to see the list and choose your schematic. Easy fix would be to have the tooltip box appear on the side not above the Schematic you have your mouse over so as not to block the list.

read through the posts by CCP in here, there is no indication they will give us an on/off switch for it judging by what theyve said. It will be tweak this and tweak that until they just say thats it, thats how its stopping.

Why do a lot of the tooltips have to be imperative marketing talk: "Do this, do that..."? This is one of the worst things I've seen in this game so far. Here's a tooltip from me: "Lay you marketing people off."

you are making me sad, Steijn, because I noticed this lack of making a clear statement as well. But hope dies last: maybe it`s just being "politically smart", and they see the issue nonetheless. If anything said after Incarna ( http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/2672 ) is supposed to have any meaning, they can not just ignore the vast majority of the players (which is not the 700+ mentioned above, I know, but look at the ingame chats, holy moly)

while it DOES remove them from being seen all the time, it STILL doesn't remove the scan when you enter space (via undock / gate / ...)

this is what we are asking since odyssey, when it is off, it shall not appear at all!

Totally agree

Of course this is a little off topic. But it is a similar problem to what is occurring now with the tooltips.

Iirc (because I'm playing this game less and less due to these ill advised new features ruining the game experience for me) that off button for the autoscan only works once you are in space. So you can't avoid the damn things on undock. Further if iirc it resets every friggin jump so once again green and red diamonds all over the place.

What we need for these wonky new features is on/off buttons. These buttons already exist for ship explosions and other visual effects. I am not a programmer, but if they could have such buttons for those effects how hard can it be to place some similar off buttons for all this new crap they are force feeding us.

Anyway, thanks for you attempt to help me, even if it had a little snark contained in it. I can deal with good natured snark. Hopefully the devs can see my critiques as the same. They really ought to change the way they react to player criticism. Accept it, address/fix in response to it, and live for the accolades they get from the player base for other more successfully introduced changes.

The problem is that in many cases, you failed so badly at achieving any of these goals that it appears that no thought or effort went into planning or testing these features.

For example, I offer the "Planets" tab in the "Science and Industry" window (no screenshots because OpSec). This window provides information on my planetary interaction sites. For each site, the window shows the system, planet type, planet name, and number of installations.

Now if I mouse over one of the entries in this table, I get a tooltip that tells me the planet name and the number of installations. Seeing as how this information is already right in front of me in the very window I'm looking at, what is the point in repeating that information with a popup that obscures other information I may wish to see?

In relation to your stated goals, this tooltip does not "inform and teach a new player," as it provides no new information. It provides no value to existing players, as it contains no value at all. it is not unobtrusive as it blocks other entries as well as the column headers. In short, it fails on all fronts to accomplish even the most basic goals you claim to have had for tooltips. Tips like these are worse than useless, they are annoying and in the way. It really looks like you just decided to slap tooltips on everything just for the sake of having them, rather than put any thought into what information should go into the tooltips, or to determine in which cases tooltips would actually be useful. Frankly, that just seems lazy.

What's even more frustrating is that all of this comes on the heels of the announcement of the development cycle change from large releases every six months to small releases every ~6 weeks, specifically for the purpose of making sure features are ready before they are rolled out. Where was the testing on this feature? Where was the test server feedback from players? What kind of evaluation was done on this feature? You were given a great tool in the form of more frequent release opportunities, and you simply ignored it. This does not bode well for the future of this new development cycle plan; if devs are unwilling to take advantage of the plan's purpose, then what is the point?

This is just speculation on my part, but I have noticed a lot of the UI is broken in some ways. For example, like when you set a destination and undock, or come out of the jump gate and the new jumpgate is highlighted in your overview, but your keyboard shortcuts don't do anything unless you click on the overview with the mouse. Hitting the select overview shortcut, if you've set it, does nothing either and you really just have to click the mouse on the overview for it to accept keyboard commands.

If you change tabs, and click in space, I think it also no longer accepts keyboard commands unless you click the overview with the mouse, even if you previously had something selected and return to that tab. Sometimes I hit that 'set overview focus' shortcut a lot, but it does nothing on the selected item and I have to switch to mouse control.

Long story short, I have submitted a bug report about this weeks ago and it's still present - I don't think they are working with the same UI that we are. With the same code. That's why they're not particularly interested in fixing it. I think they are in the process of overhauling it completely. The tooltips spilling over rows and columns of information currently displayed in the old UI, is just evident of that. There may come a point and time where they just yank out the UI all together, and we'll be using the actual tooltips in space for information. I don't think that so much of it being redundant is an accident on their part, although my other guess is that they are placeholders for later, more "useful" information.

That's why they are so resistant to the "off switch" suggestion. There is more here going on, I think, concerning these tooltips.

But they are here, most often in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Currently. :P

Who knows what they have up their sleeve but I don't think they are working with the same code we are, in the same environment we are. /tinfoil hat off

they are fully aware.

when odyssey was released, they killed explo

many ppl like me then turned off the scanning overlay, since it had no purpose anymore.

that's when we noticed then issue.

so many forum post / bug reports were written.

the dev's answer: it is by design, htfu

when we pointed how ridiculmous thge behaviour was, they just stopped repsonding.

and here we are, a year later,n the issue still there, and NO dev will ever answer on that subject.

this is how CCP intergrate player feedback:

1- release crap feature
2- player complain about said feature, giving many reasons WHY said feature is bad, and leads to improve it
3- CCP answer, saying "thx for the feedback we are working on it"
4- CCP announce a new update, addressing a few point except the major ones
5- they stop answering in the thread
6- two month later said thread is closed, a new one is opened where player continue feedback
7- a year later, still no iteration or answer from CCP on the subject, players are stuck with crap feature since it was released

i play since 2010, and every single time a feature with problems is released, they apply the exact same behaviour....