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Bump Mechanic

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Mack O'Roids
The Family Joules
#1 - 2014-05-13 04:07:30 UTC
If I am sitting in traffic, and the guy behind me keeps ramming into my car I would get out of my vehicle, pull him out of his and beat him until he apologized or until he died. Call it road rage, or whatever... but actions have consequences. A logical response to someone harassing you is to retaliate.

While I completely understand bumping is a game mechanic, and should remain that way, there should be some sort of suspect flag if it's continuous. By all indications, if someone is bumping you repeatedly they are looking for a response. Let that response include the option to fight.
Auduin Samson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-05-13 04:16:09 UTC
1. Duel him
2. Wardec
3. Hire mercs to wardec
4. Gank him
5. Plant a spy in his corp, commence Awoxing
6. Bump him back
7. Use the time honored tactic of becoming flashy, letting him attack, then warping in all your friends in logi ships
8. Ask him what he wants? This should really be #1.
9. Research his corp, exploit their weaknesses
10. Move to null
11. Join a PVP corp
12. Mine somewhere else (Because I'm almost sure you're a disgruntled hisec miner)
13. Run missions, wait for him to get bored
14. Move to Lowsec

Saying there are no other options is saying you haven't thought much about it.
Mack O'Roids
The Family Joules
#3 - 2014-05-13 04:26:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Mack O'Roids
Auduin Samson wrote:
Saying there are no other options is saying you haven't thought much about it.

Did I say there were no other options? You know what they say about assumptions....

Anyhow, just to clarify what you're saying is you want to keep your ability to bump people senselessly and not get shot at? That sounds pretty weak and pathetic. Oh, and 50% of your ideas don't apply because they hide in NPC corps. The other half don't apply because I do live in null sec, in a pvp alliance. Every once in a while null-dwellers do like to operate in empire though. So your assumptions are false and your point of view is lacking.

It's too easy. If you harass someone, they should be able to fight you.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2014-05-13 04:29:11 UTC
[Proposal]Repeating ship bumping in higsec space should attract concord's attention

From the thread:
I wrote:
Anything done to penalize bumping will be turned right back around and used against miners and other indutrialists. All one of them has to do is get in your way... then have a friend who doesn't care about dying bump you into him.

Of course, you could have the mechanics not register the second or third bump... so then the bumpers would just flip it around and bump one of their friends into you.

Quite basicly, your idea is a lose-lose situation.
Mack O'Roids
The Family Joules
#5 - 2014-05-13 04:39:05 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
[Proposal]Repeating ship bumping in higsec space should attract concord's attention

From the thread:
I wrote:
Anything done to penalize bumping will be turned right back around and used against miners and other indutrialists. All one of them has to do is get in your way... then have a friend who doesn't care about dying bump you into him.

Of course, you could have the mechanics not register the second or third bump... so then the bumpers would just flip it around and bump one of their friends into you.

Quite basicly, your idea is a lose-lose situation.


If they can write the code to process the physics of bumping, then I'm pretty sure they can run checks in the bump process it's self. They can also require a base speed/mass combination for the bump counter. It's too easy to exclude cases like you suggest.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#6 - 2014-05-13 04:49:52 UTC
How would determine who is bumping who? The server, mighty as it may be, cannot read minds and interpret intentions.
Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-05-13 05:12:57 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
How would determine who is bumping who? The server, mighty as it may be, cannot read minds and interpret intentions.


This.

If they made bumping into aggression, I'm sure people would be trying to leap in front of my Mach every time I turn around.
Auduin Samson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-05-13 05:53:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Auduin Samson
Mack O'Roids wrote:
Oh, and 50% of your ideas don't apply because they hide in NPC corps. The other half don't apply because I do live in null sec, in a pvp alliance.


I'm pretty sure that even in those circumstances, options 1,4,6,7,8,12, and 13 are all still valid. You asked for a way to retaliate, I gave you a ton that are already there. Mining in hisec and expecting to never get bumped is like going into nullsec and expecting never to get shot. Both are game mechanics and both can be countered. Any added mechanic to specifically deal with bumping people would be a disaster. Can you imagine the Jita 4-4 undock if everyone that bumped into somebody became a suspect?

Wait a minute, we might be onto something here...
Titan Andronicus
Rookie Mission Tax Haven
#9 - 2014-05-13 06:25:30 UTC
Mack O'Roids wrote:
If I am sitting in traffic, and the guy behind me keeps ramming into my car I would get out of my vehicle, pull him out of his and beat him until he apologized or until he died.


So if you someone in a game is bumping your ship you should have no problem opening fire first, which in both realities would be a criminal act but in EVE would be without the blood and gore. I'm slightly alarmed.
Solitary Pal
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-05-13 07:09:47 UTC
Gets out of car and beats someone to death, expects not to have to deal with police.

Logic?

I have a monocle therefore my opinion matters more than yours.

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-05-13 07:24:04 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
How would determine who is bumping who? The server, mighty as it may be, cannot read minds and interpret intentions.



this. I'd see ice miner whines in minutes of patch. Last time I went ice mining and a new field....the number of peeps at warp to 0 was god awful. Get a crowded field and between the landing bump and the bumps to jsut clear the fuster cluck....it be open season on miners legally.


And do I have ot say it? 4-4 undock. Can get a few bumps jsut trying to line up to leave the place lol.
Mack O'Roids
The Family Joules
#12 - 2014-05-23 18:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mack O'Roids
If someone going 2-3km/s+ hits another person who's stationary, that's not an "undock". That's not a Mach turning around. If the "bump" causes your speed to go from "0m/s" to "1500m/s" that's not any of your scenarios either... not to mention as I stated it would need to happen multiple times. The server already needs to relay that information between clients... saying it can't handle sorting out who bumped who is a joke. Also, as far as police go, if someone is ramming my car repeatedly then yeah. I will most definitely get off easily beating the other driver senseless.
SurrenderMonkey
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-05-23 18:30:15 UTC
Yeah, let's turn 4-4 undock into Thunderdome just to sooth your diaper rash.

Actually, I'm okay with that.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#14 - 2014-05-23 18:47:15 UTC
Bumping someone repeatedly auto accepting duel he requests from you would be fine.

Suspect flag is a stupid idea.

You can't really fit a ship right if its made to be the perfect bumper.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

Captain Finklestein
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-05-23 18:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Finklestein
Auduin Samson wrote:
1. Duel him
2. Wardec
3. Hire mercs to wardec
4. Gank him
5. Plant a spy in his corp, commence Awoxing
6. Bump him back
7. Use the time honored tactic of becoming flashy, letting him attack, then warping in all your friends in logi ships
8. Ask him what he wants? This should really be #1.
9. Research his corp, exploit their weaknesses
10. Move to null
11. Join a PVP corp
12. Mine somewhere else (Because I'm almost sure you're a disgruntled hisec miner)
13. Run missions, wait for him to get bored
14. Move to Lowsec

Saying there are no other options is saying you haven't thought much about it.

I would say it's two people that didn't think much about their posts.

1) He declines.
2) NPC corp.
3) NPC corp.
4) Killrights.
5) NPC corp.
6) Because he cares.
7) He doesn't attack.
8) He wants you to verbally engage him.
9) NPC corp.
10) If I could smartbomb all of high-sec at once, should they all move to null?
11) Wouldn't help being bumped while mining.
12) Ice spawn mechanics do not allow for this.
13) Hurray, you said something that makes sense.
14) Refer to point 10.

You've also failed to mention the only tactic that properly works:
- Equip an AB and orbit an asteroid at 0.

It's just more financially viable for me.