EVE General Discussion

The game isn't more popular because it's a completly different paradigm than most MMOs you see nowadays. I don't personally think it has much to do with the "difficulty" itself - people who can't be assed to learn why they shouldn't be missioning in a purple fit raven or carrying 30 plex on autopilot quickly get filtered out anyway. The real issue (and this comes from someone who has guided numerous new players in this game) is that until you start interacting with others and forging friendships, the game is nothing but a space themed desktop wallpaper. It just doesn't have any intrisincally fun gameplay by itself, and this is a big shock to most gamers that are used to being guided to where the action is in other MMOs.

The pathethic PVE content and AI of this game only serves to reinforce that feeling, and that is why according to statistics only around 1 out of 10 players manages to get past their first month into the game. It requires a very different kind of mentality to have fun in this game - it requires constant participation, actively setting up goals for once self, and most of all a desire to learn and explore things rather than just wanting to see your character grow a few stat numbers. In game design terms, Eve is the ultimate game for Killers and Socializers.

A secondary explorer type also exists to those people who love learning the intricancies of a game world, but those who play for the biggest score or to beat the imposed rules a game tells you to follow won't find any fun here, and I don't think that's a bad thing by default. It doesn't help how the grand majority of mmorpgs thesedays are just glorified single player games with people around you in towns and instances. It creates an even bigger shock to the general crowd when starting this game.

And how many noobs players run straight off into null, low and WH space?


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Hardly the same thing. If they were the same thing, then why do they leave?

no, it really isn't.

So..... the fact I actually have experienced it myself is of less value to me that "evidence" you are unable to provide?

Yeah, jog on m8

I like your post. It's well written and properly though out. I don't really agree with the stuff I quoted. Although I've been playing for quite a while now, I vividly remember my first 2 hours in EVE.

- I started in space in an Ibis.
- Clicked all I was supposed to click.
- Then googled how to dock.
- Did the mining tutorial and finished it.
- Did the combat tutorial. Couldn't finish it.
- Undocked a Bantam to start mining.
- Saw a Hulk on the undock

waaaahhhh. Awesome. I want a ship like that. That thing probably mines like a boss... content provided, goal set.

It went on after those 2 hours.

First setback occured within a day when I discovered large containers on the market. Spend all my ISK to get 3. Fitted perfectly in my badger. Dropped them. Redocked and went back out in my Bantam. Filled them up. Then they were scooped up by some dude. I actually had to sent a mail to make sure that really happened. Got a "thank you" mail back. Started googling "EVE + container". Guess what? There's something like security and anchoring etc. I need to find another system. Content provided and 2nd goal set.

By the end of the week I had so many plans and goals, my head was spinning. Totally unhindered by skillpoints, ISK or even basic knowledge of EVE, I found casual stuff to do within 2 hours of beginning to play this game.

EVE caters those with an imagination and the ability to set themselves goals and accomplishments. The feeling of being OP when I undocked an Osprey instead of my Bantam....

I think it's CCP:Seagull who said a little while ago that part of the long range vision is for the distinction between pve & pvp fits to disappear


By a little while ago, I mean about a year(ish)


I thought it was a good idea then, I still do now.
Sadly I'm still waiting to see it happen

Whats a PvE fit?

Is that a Sacrilege without tackle or something?

you're thinking about it wrong.

"PvE Fit" car is comfortable, airbags, cupholders, radio, a/c, power everything, automatic transmission ... etc.

"PvP Fit" car is not so comfortable (stripped down interior, racing seat/harness), no radio, a/c, power anything, standard transmission ... and is then tweaked to get the most performance possible out of the parts.

au contraire

Implant + Pod = Shiny Goldness



also aren't paid for ship-skins now a thing ?

I don't see how that makes sense.

It's more the other way round, but with combat fittings still being the one who perform much better.


Non-combat fittings are automatic cars for people who are unable to apply thought to what they are doing,
with crappy performance. How you can see luxury items in such crap is beyond me.