EVE General Discussion

Sure, both boil down to personal opinion.

But what's not to like about mechanics that make almost any ship and weapon system useful, allow for extreme variety in engagements from 1v1 up to 1,000 v 1,000 (setting aside server issues), encourage complex hunt/run/bait gameplay?

What specifically is **** in your opinion and how should it be improved?

This is actually UI, not PVP mechanics and I agree, it's part of what I was saying. Even though your own shield/armor/hull GUI and your targets' do a pretty decent job in conveying what's going on, it's one of the things that actually don't need much improvement imo.

I like your conversational style, refreshingly non-confrontational.

The gui part of those can be turned off, though, if it bothers you.
Its the D&D style method of damage calculation and application thats the problem, though the whole transversal etc is okay it needs to be made clearer or at least presented in an easier way for new players to grasp. The Tactical Overlay should be rejigged to be more useful I think, but Im waffling now.

Both PVE and PVP mechanics are _incredibely_ outdated in this game. What makes the former more interesting are the potential interactions and depht it has to offer in some cases, but it doesn't change the fact the gameplay is still rudimentar. If Eve had some kind of spaceship arena simulator, everyone would get bored to death because at that point only the gameplay is at stake, and it's not intrinsically fun.

And this is probably the main reason this game isn't more popular and probably never will - most MMO gamers thesedays are more concerned about a more immediate representation of playing skill, and gratification for doing so and not so much about finding ways to explore and interact with others in a virtual world. The information overload required to start playing this game is also another barrier, though it's not the main one from my point of view.

This is exactly what i meant by UI improvement!

Semantics aside, I believe we're basically saying the same thing.

Well, no, I don't consider grinding scripted PvE encounters over and over again on the off chance that some piece of gear drops so that I can help my guild grind the encounter 0.5% faster the next 100 times we run it until everyone has their gear and we can move on to the next scripted PvE sequence to be very fun at all.

I also think that Twilight is terribly written literature followed by equally terribly acted movies, that McDonalds is bad for your health, and several other "controversial" opinions.

Just because a lot of people like something doesn't mean that thing is good.





I've never understood why some people seem to think that sandbox = complete safety from other players. That's the OPPOSITE of a sandbox: you're imposing arbitrary rules and restrictions that keep interesting things from happening in the game. Of course, people who play the game to do the same scripted thing over and over again without interruption get upset at this, but then given that WoW already exists, I'm not too sympathetic to their plight.

You can always counter what the other person throws at you. But if you're angry about having to counter them in the first place, then EVE isn't for you. Sorry.



It's called, "Not being an incredible weenie," you should try it sometime.

Seriously, it's a video game, the worst that can happen is you lose some internet space pixels. Take losses on the chin and figure out how you can keep them from happening again. Chances are that there's a way to counter the exact activity that's got your bum aching.

There is no way to show off your mighty collection of purples outside of Jita.

Without the risk of losing it.



Thats why

I disagree. Apart from PvE so crap as to be a joke I think the control system also seriously lets this game down.

You're flying along in an inty doing 5km/s. Having got to the desired range on your target you want to now orbit that target at your current range.

Do you:

a) Right click the target, select 'Orbit At Current'.

b) Right click the 'Orbit at' overview button, enter your current range, and then click the Orbit button or Orbit keyboard shortcut.

c) Press the 'Orbit at Current' shortcut key?

If 'a', the range you orbit at using the 'Orbit at Current' menuitem is the range you were at when you started opening the menu, _not_ the range you are at when you actually click the menuitem. So doing 5km/s you have to wait until you reach the range you want to be at, start opening the menu (during which time you are massively overshooting your intended orbit range), click the 'Orbit at Current' menuitem, at which point your ship then attempts to backtrack to your intended orbit range (assuming you didn't already get webbed/scrammed).

If 'b' then having to use both mouse and keyboard to enter the range manually is far too time consuming to have to do at 5km/s in a combat situation. This is aggravated by the way the keyboard shortcuts work, which mean you either have to use the mouse to select the target first and then click the keyboard shortcut (and risk the shortcut not working if the Overview loses focus), or click the target while holding the shortcut key down (and risk activating the command on the wrong target if the view moves or picking a target out of a tight cluster of objects).

If 'c' then you aren't playing Eve because it doesn't have this or various other really basic flight control keys, is never likely to, and even the ones it does have work so badly as to be practically useless.

Because of Pingu.

That there are workarounds does not negate my actual point, which is that ship controls in Eve are woeful (actually worse than any other game I can recall).