Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I see this ship benefitting from having a cruiser sized ship with better on-grid survivability in fleet, and another industrial ship size with larger bonuses, bigger bays, and possibly having bonuses or roles to help it move through dangerous territory (interdiction, nullification, warp core bonus, or cloak)

I very much like the idea of implementing the hacking minigame with the takedown of structures. The difficulty of the hack could scale with the type of structure being attacked. For example, yurts and MTUs could have a relatively easy hack, while POS modules and towers would be incredibly difficult. Upon completion of the hack, the module wouldn't necessarily be destroyed, but would do whatever damage a demo charge would have already done. In some cases this will mean instant distruction/reinforcement, while in others it will just do severe damage to whatever is targeted.

Not only would this add a bit more skill requirement for an effective combat engineer pilot, but it would also give explorers another cross-over role in combat situations should they decide to join a fleet.

It could also be implemented that a failed hack will trigger some sort of self defense mechanism and damage the engineer's ship, but I think that "playing a minigame in a live fire situation" is enough difficulty to overcome.


Further food for thought. I like where this is going, but as always, more constructive criticism is nice.

I like the idea of a T2 frigate or destroyer with a bonus to setting up deployables.


But as far as a T2 frigate for taking down POS, you can already do that with Stealth Bombers.

Really, don't give us some super POS bashing frigate, or we'll put together a 200 man fleet of them with an FC that doesn't sleep. You will all regret it.

I didn't read the whole thread, so I'm going to assume that using this as a super POS basher would be viewed as a potention balancing issue with the sound of something like this. If I'm wrong and the idea of this being exceptionally good at killing POSes is generally well recieved, then ignore the following.

Maybe make the demo charge sort of like a smartbomb with similar range limitations? Enough range so it can be used effectively on deployables, but not enough to threaten towers. Key note, this would mean defensive batteries could be hit since they are stationed outside the shield wall, though the tower would require a different ship to kill due to the very same thing.

Nice idea either way. +1, would definitely buy a few.

I think some people is wrong thinking about this ship as a POS basher. It could use a special hacking module, only used for hacking structures deployed by players. By doing so, it a) makes them selfdestruct or initiates a countdown the owner could use for trying to revert the process or b) it unanchors them, perhaps with the same countdown. That means it will have a very small range. Also, I'd say make it unable to be used on online or reinforced POS towers. In fact, in terms of POS, I'd limit its use to Offline POS, so it can be used to easily take away abandoned towers in W-space and Highsec, and wouldn't make Dreadnoughts, Marauders and Battlecruisers useless.

Just my thoughts about these ships' capabilities of taking away structures.

+1 for the concept..

I totally support the idea of having sub caps being able to be extremely efficient in attacking structures, including deployables.
Also implement its counter part, I.e. A subcap able to repair structures.

Having only end game ships like capitals able to significantly affect structures is a big advantage to mega corps and alliances.
The small units should be able to have dedicated sub caps for such tasks.

you just provided the one reason why not to add combat engineering ships to the game. (._.)

as for the topic of anti-POS usage of these ships, Starbass Engineering ships are not supposed to destroy the POS, only pack/unpack it faster than normal.

also, the game.

Nah, it's all good. Any idea SHOULD go through a lot of constructive criticism before implementation, otherwise balance issues will run rampant. This would definitely need to be dealt with carefully, as there is a fine line between an effective combat engineering concept and a swarm of expendable POS clearing frigates. However, I think that it is possible to balance these. Some solutions that have been proposed:

Hacking game with various difficulty levels depending on target

Scaling damage depending on target

Target-specific module activation (IE Can use on structures, not ships)

Sig radius based damage


While all of these have their own ups and downs, I think a careful combination of the two (Hacking minigame with scaling damage?) could be easily implemented by the right minds.

IKR.


I think the best way to start is to add a large ship that can deploy and repack a POS and carry the structures in its specialized holding bay.

easy steps is the way to go, so for a start let's not include structure offensive oriented ships eh?

Could someone from CCP at least go like - "hey this is a cool idea".

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